Obama for President 2008

“Are you sure you never said anything like a Black person by definition can not be a racist?”

“i choose to accept him as a role model despite his flaws. it doesn't mean i share his flaws. it only means that i was able to understand what things i saw in him that i was able to model myself after and what things i choose to leave behind.

like i said, i don't believe in guilt by association.

obama's default position is that he will NOT run a racist administration. so if you believe this position to be false then the burden of proof lines on you to prove his statement is false.

obama's language is not insensitive. it's accurate and to the point. his commentary is fresh and i believe reflects the opinion of a great many voters. i have gotten sick of being represented by people of my parents parents generation that believe it's more important to be politically correct and "sensitive" than to tell the truth and face problems directly. he has the capacity to inspire a generation of americans that i don't think have felt represented by their government in a long, long time.

...i think we have another kennedy on our hands.”

“So it's OK when he describes a white person who says racial comments as "typical white people"?”

“He's a superstar - and I think most people can see that.”

“i think we have another kennedy on our hands.”

Ted?”

“Wasn't that him messing around with the DJ on a sports call-in show Nigal?”

“It was a radio interview and he was not messing around. I heard it and he was being 100% serious. Had McCain made a comment that a black person exhibiting ill behavior was a "typical black person" he'd be done for. I don't know why Obama gets a free pass.

I found this comment much more offensive as well as important than anything his crazy pastor said.”

“We can keep chipping away at this, but the election will come down to what happens in the next seven months.

For McCain to even be in th game

1) Iraq has got to continue to improve, some US troops need to come home too.

2) The economy needs to turn around sharply

3) Gas prices need to dip below three dollars”

“And I think he may be able to say things McCain never could by virtue of his background and his race - I don't think this means we're going to see some sort of racist administration. He has to work with congress for a start.

His administration will be full of traditional old white men and a few women.”

“Oh I don't think he'd run a racist admin either but what I can not stand is inconsistency. We can not choose to ruin one man's career while giving someone else a pass.

Let's remember back to when Trent Lott said the following...

"I want to say this about my state: When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We're proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn't have had all these problems over all these years, either."

He was forced to step down over this and was called every name in the book.

Yet Obama who calls Write his main spiritual adviser and says this...

"The point I was making was not that Grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn't. But she is a typical white person, who, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know, you know, there's a reaction that's been bred in our experiences that don't go away..."

...he gets a free pass. Why?”

“Because libbies are hypocrites, Nigal.”

“(Listening to chirping crickets)”

“If Lott was harshly treated i was by the Republican party once they decided he was a liability. He coulda ridden that out, but it seems he made one too many enemies. I don't think lott meant to refer to race, he was trying to pay a tribute to an old guy - don't think it even crossed his mind for a minute.

But Obama gets a break for his slip because of the history of race relations in the US. Maybe he should, maybe he shouldn't.”

“Questionable Questionnaire

Barack Obama, it turns out, had a lot to do with a 1996 campaign questionnaire his campaign has since disavowed as the erroneous work of staffers.

On it, Obama � then running for the Illinois senate � took ultraliberal positions on abortion, the death penalty and gun control. His aides now say Obama never saw or approved the questionnaire.

But the Politico newspaper reports he was actually interviewed by the questionnaire's sponsors and even sent them an amended copy with his own handwritten notes on it. Current Obama aide Tommy Vietor concedes the notes were Obama�s, but still insists the form was filled out by staff and did not reflect the candidate's views.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,344148,00.html”

“If that's the case, � Lott was dumber than a box of rocks. � He said Strom Thurmond should've been elected president in 1948, for cryin' out loud. � If you think race relations in this country suck now, you don't even want to IMAGINE what shape we'd be in if Thurmond had succeeded.”

“YogiSans compare Obama to "...i think we have another kennedy on our hands."

Ted Kennedy? William Kennedy Smith (charged with rape)?

John F. Kennedy who was a pro-life Catholic, a life member of the NRA, in favor of a strong military, of confronting the Communists, and giving America a huge tax cut (which increased the economy and increased revenues).

Obama has voted against a Bill that would make it illegal for doctors to kill a baby born alive. Obama has taken a stance against the private ownership of guns, and is considered unfriendly to the taxpayers with his earmarks and votes on issues related to waste in government. John F. Kennedy had 14 years experience in Congress before running for President. Obama has 3 years.

Obama is no JFK.”

“The swimmer (Ted) is for Obama.”

“none of the candidates have any experience (zero) being president.”

“His administration will be full of traditional old white men and a few women.”
Y2
10:05:02 PM
3/31/08

LOL, yeah right, then why does everyone think he will make a change?”

“But Obama gets a break for his slip because of the history of race relations in the US. Maybe he should, maybe he shouldn't.

It's really too bad because he shouldn't get a free pass and especially not because his race.”

“Obama is not Farrakan, nor is he "Reverend" Wright.

MarkO
1:22:19 PM
3/31/08
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Nobody knows who he is. They know he is not Hillary. Maybe that is enough for some people.”

“Worth a read:

The Obama Doctrine

When Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama met in California for the Jan. 31 debate, their back-and-forth resembled their many previous encounters, with the Democratic presidential hopefuls scrambling for the small policy yardage between them. And then Obama said something about the Iraq War that wasn't incremental at all. "I don't want to just end the war," he said, "but I want to end the mind-set that got us into war in the first place."

Until this point in the primaries, Clinton and Obama had sounded very similar on this issue. Despite their differences in the past (Obama opposed the war, while Clinton voted for it), both were calling for major troop withdrawals, with some residual force left behind to hedge against catastrophe. But Obama's concise declaration of intent at the debate upended this assumption. Clinton stumbled to find a counterargument, eventually saying her vote in October 2002 "was not authority for a pre-emptive war." Then she questioned Obama's ability to lead, saying that the Democratic nominee must have "the necessary credentials and gravitas for commander in chief."

If Clinton's response on Iraq sounds familiar, that's because it's structurally identical to the defensive crouch John Kerry assumed in 2004: Voting against the war wasn't a mistake; the mistakes were all George W. Bush's, and bringing the war to a responsible conclusion requires a wise man or woman with military credibility. In that debate, Obama offered an alternative path. Ending the war is only the first step. After we're out of Iraq, a corrosive mind-set will still be infecting the foreign-policy establishment and the body politic. That rot must be eliminated.

Obama is offering the most sweeping liberal foreign-policy critique we've heard from a serious presidential contender in decades. It cuts to the heart of traditional Democratic timidity. "It's time to reject the counsel that says the American people would rather have someone who is strong and wrong than someone who is weak and right," Obama said in a January speech. "It's time to say that we are the party that is going to be strong and right." (The Democrat who counseled that Americans wanted someone strong and wrong, not weak and right? That was Bill Clinton in 2002.)

But to understand what Obama is proposing, it's important to ask: What, exactly, is the mind-set that led to the war? What will it mean to end it? And what will take its place?

To answer these questions, I spoke at length with Obama's foreign-policy brain trust, the advisers who will craft and implement a new global strategy if he wins the nomination and the general election. They envision a doctrine that first ends the politics of fear and then moves beyond a hollow, sloganeering "democracy promotion" agenda in favor of "dignity promotion," to fix the conditions of misery that breed anti-Americanism and prevent liberty, justice, and prosperity from taking root. An inextricable part of that doctrine is a relentless and thorough destruction of al-Qaeda. Is this hawkish? Is this dovish? It's both and neither -- an overhaul not just of our foreign policy but of how we think about foreign policy. And it might just be the future of American global leadership.


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When considering any presidential hopeful's foreign-policy promises, it's important to remember that what candidates say is, at best, an imperfect guide to their actions in office. What proves to be a more reliable indicator of presidential behavior is a candidate's roster of advisers. (If the press had paid better attention, the country would have seen through Bush's pitch about a humble foreign policy and realized that many of his advisers, including Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Perle, were conspiracy-minded warmongers.) Obama's foreign-policy advisers come from diverse backgrounds. They are former aides to Democratic mandarins like Tom Daschle and Lee Hamilton (Denis McDonough and Ben Rhodes, respectively); veterans of the Clinton administration's left flank (Tony Lake and Susan Rice); a human-rights advocate who helped write the Army's and Marine Corps' much-lauded counterinsurgency field manual (Sarah Sewall); a retired general who helped run the air war during the invasion of Iraq (Scott Gration); and a former journalist who revolutionized the study of U.S. foreign policy (Samantha Power). Yet they form a committed, intellectually coherent, and surprisingly united foreign-affairs team.

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“Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said yesterday that the United States still has trouble dealing with race because of a national "birth defect" that denied black Americans the opportunities given to whites at the country's very founding.

"Black Americans were a founding population," she said. "Africans and Europeans came here and founded this country together � Europeans by choice and Africans in chains. That's not a very pretty reality of our founding."

As a result, Miss Rice told editors and reporters at The Washington Times, "descendants of slaves did not get much of a head start, and I think you continue to see some of the effects of that."

"That particular birth defect makes it hard for us to confront it, hard for us to talk about it, and hard for us to realize that it has continuing relevance for who we are today," she said.

Race has become an issue in this year's presidential campaign, which prompted a much-discussed speech last week by Sen. Barack Obama, one of the two remaining contenders for the Democratic nomination.

Miss Rice declined to comment on the campaign, saying only that it was "important" that Mr. Obama "gave it for a whole host of reasons."

But she spoke forcefully on the subject, citing personal and family experience to illustrate "a paradox and contradiction in this country," which "we still haven't resolved."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080328/FOREIGN/746301768/1001”

“another article long on verbiage but shy on details. How does Obama plan to put dignity over democracy? How can Obama complain about US businesses going overseas on the one hand, then complain that we aren't doing enough to provide jobs for the third world?

Dignity over Democracy? Is that his foreign policy? As long as your basic needs are met does it matter whether you are free, a slave, a serf, an indentured servant? Is that it?”

“she is a smart lady”

“Dignity over Democracy? Is that his foreign policy? As long as your basic needs are met does it matter whether you are free, a slave, a serf, an indentured servant? Is that it?�
hyway
5:59:43 AM
4/01/08

HyWay, that is not what Obama is talking about and you know it.


They envision a doctrine that first ends the politics of fear and then moves beyond a hollow, sloganeering "democracy promotion" agenda in favor of "dignity promotion," to fix the conditions of misery that breed anti-Americanism and prevent liberty, justice, and prosperity from taking root.

Dubya's "spreading democracy" is indeed hollow sloganeering with no substance and it's not working.
It's not working because it is hollow sloganeering.”

“so HOW do you end the politics of fearand then move beyond a hollow, sloganeering "democracy promotion" agenda? How do you fix the conditions of poverty? We sent food to somalia to end the hunger. The warlords took the food and controlled it for their own uses. How do we fix the internal workings of a country without manipulating that countries government? How do we create jobs in those countries while simultaneously dropping the hammer on any US business that takes jobs overseas.

We aren't talking about Bush. We are talking about Obama. What is his plan other than "not bush"?”

“I think he plans on sitting down and negotiating with everybody, warlords, and evil dictators, and terrorist leaders and all.”

“you mean negotiating with Hillary?”

“LOL! Good one!”

“Bill Clinton sent former President Carter to negotiate with North Korea and got them to agree not to develope nuclear bombs. Obama trusts evil dictators will melt in his charismatic presence, and the world can only live in peace and harmony with his leadership.”

“Why do you guys have so little faith in America's ability to negotiate from a postition of strength?

Is it because Dubya is wrecking the U.S. military and you guys are scardie cats?”

“Why do you guys have so little faith in America's ability to negotiate from a postition of strength?

We learned from Jimmy Carter?

edit - look like Prosecutor answered you before you asked the question.
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“The Dubya Administration got nowhere with North Korea by making threats of war and they too have gotten back into the maddening game of negotiating with those shifty bastards.”

“So you are saying that the Bush administration learns and reworks its plans based on reality. Thank you”

“The Dubya Administration has one option.

1) Go to war to stop the building of their nuclear arsenal.

The Dubya Administration (really, the U.S.) would not be able to do that at some point, when the inevitible time comes, if they made NO attempt to at least pretend to try to talk to these liars. That is exactly what they've been doing. They are "playing along", until the point of no return. It will be obvious, one day, that North Korea is not taking any negotions seriously. Then the passivists of the world won't be able to cry that nobody tried talking before bombing.

With all the negotiating, Dubya has not agreed to anything that involves trusting those "shifty bastards", unlike Carter.”

“obama's language is not insensitive. it's accurate and to the point. - Yogisan

Witness "Western White Male Guilt" in action.

It's interesting to know that you are tolerant of racists. That says much of your character.”

“Judged by his voting record as THE MOST LIBERAL senator.”

“You have to say Obama has run a really smart campaign.

You can see those of an extremist postion here wailing and nashing their teeth and they attempt to project their fears. Poresector, the troll by another name and Mutt all stumbling down the same old rhetoric route.

It's quite funny to see - there's really nowhere for them to go. You can also see they are less than enthusiastic about McCain too - the silence on that front is deafening.”

“because McCain isn't running a hot campaign right now. He is coasting along waiting for the winner of the dogfight between hillary/obama. Obama's smart campaign has more to do with the ongoing support of the liberal media than anything he has done himself. If the media treated him the same way it treats hillary he would have folded up his tent a long time ago.”

“Sure, there's a role of truth in both those things. But there's not been much support for McCain from the uber righties for a long time.

And Obama is maybe getting a light ride at the moment, and I think it's because he's a likable and impressive man. Charisa goes a long long way in politics and he has it by the bucketful.

I do have a concern that he might be 'too nice' in office, but having suffered 8 years of a ship being steered by Cheney and six years of Rumsfeld - nice might not be a bad thing.”

“McCain doesn't need to worry about the righties. They will flock to him in droves when the real campaign starts up. OBama/clinton are ultra liberal enough to make McCain look like a right wing fanatic.”

“Charisa goes a long long way in politics and he has it by the bucketful.

Yes, the MSM has long been more interested in style over substance.”

“The time has come to not have a president.”

“don't they have medicine for tourettes?”

“�Charisa goes a long long way in politics and he has it by the bucketful.

Yes, the MSM has long been more interested in style over substance.�
moonglo
9:12:22 AM
4/01/08

Yes the MSM should be constantly telling everyone what a weak and shallow man he is and how he's going to destroy America - like the true Meeja out there. Drudge, Fox, rightwingblogger.com - they tell the TRUTH!

Anyhow, it's the voters that like charisma as much as the media. In this instance it sits in favor of the Democrats, in 2000 Gore's lack of charisma was his big stumbling block - that kiss, the confrontation in the debates, the unease in public.
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“Yes the MSM should be constantly telling everyone what a weak and shallow man he is and how he's going to destroy America - like the true Meeja out there. Drudge, Fox, rightwingblogger.com - they tell the TRUTH!

Are you denying that the MSM is more interested in style over substance when it comes to political candidates?

Anyhow, it's the voters that like charisma as much as the media. In this instance it sits in favor of the Democrats, in 2000 Gore's lack of charisma was his big stumbling block - that kiss, the confrontation in the debates.

Then I fault the Dems for that, if that's what influences their vote. Don't you?”

“Hillary used to be lilly white as driven snow as far as the media was concerned. But now they have another darling and now they paint her as a shrew #&%!$. How Obama appears in the media is more about how they want him to appear than how he really is.”

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� � � � Obama is not The Second Coming and McCain is a dead end.

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“McCain will win because he is the closest thing to a moderate between the three. Both hillary and obama are dividers.”