Obama for President 2008

“So, they have to choose between John and getting their asses taxed back to the stone age. thats what I like about conservatives, we make rational decisions based on facts, expected results and consequences.”

“Let me see if I have Mccain's main agenda right:

1. Continue running up the national debt
2. Continue cutting taxes
3. Continue (and expand) a losing groundwar in the Middle East

Does that sound about right?

McCain is a dead duck.”

“He would have been if the democrats weren't such incompetents.”

“But what of motivation, hyway? The liberals are so eager for their mystical concept of "change", that they'll show up at the polls in droves no matter what racist and dumbass things obama says and does. Conservatives who are p.o.'d may be likely to just stay home.”

“We can always take it to the street and see what's left over after the fire stops burning. I just can't get excited about this election it seems as if the country is screwed no matter which way you turn.”

“ I just can't get excited about this election it seems as if the country is screwed no matter which way you turn.”
minish223

That's the sentiment I'm referring to. Liberals have their "change" to rally around. Conservatives are unhappy with Bush and McCain and have little more than fear of obama to motivate them.”

“because McCain hasn't started campaigning. I am not worried. Minish says he isn't excited but he will vote and he'll vote for McCain. I imagine its teh same for you Mutt”

“have little more than fear of obama to motivate them.�
Mutt
8:29:10 AM
5/09/08

That is right on the money !!!!”

“Yep”

“You're correct, hyway, and I hope you're right that it will translate into a large turnout.”

“'Lesser of' still rules.”

“Yes V, if the republicans have delegate system like the dems where a single person carries more than one vote it is eletist and crooked.”

“Well that's the system that they have Nigal. Funny that so much wind is wasted on this.”

“Sen. Obama, D-Ill., picked up two superdelegates this morning giving him a new metric to tout in addition to his current commanding leads in pledged delegates, popular votes, states won, and money raised.

Rep. Donald Payne, D-N.J., switched his endorsement from Clinton to Obama and Rep. Peter DeFazio, D-Ore., endorsed Obama. DeFazio was previously uncommitted.

With these endorsements, Obama has the support of 267 superdelegates and Clinton has 265 superdelegates.




”

““Well that's the system that they have Nigal."

OK, care to show me how you spin this one? How is the republican delegate the same as a super delegate? Does each delegate equal 10,000 votes?”

“Its not spin Nigal. Both parties use a system of pledged delegates that are chosen by the primary voters and unpledged delegates made up of party officials. The only substantive difference is the label - "superdelegate". You just don't hear Democrats crying and whining about how the other party selects a candidate.”

“Again, how many votes does each delegate in the republican system count as?”

“"Once McCain starts campaigning, Obama's extreme liberal policies and voting record will be made an issue and all good conservatives will be scared into flocking to the polls to keep Obama/Clinton out of office. Neocons may think McCain isn't conservative enough, but next to those two he will look like Newt Gingrich."

Tuer words have never been said.


George H.W. Bush was 17 points down in the polls when he started campaigning against Dukakis.”

“I voted for Bush twice to keep Gore and Kerry our of office. This was like getting to choose who your rapist will be..."Well, he's less well hung. I'll take him.".

We're gonna get screwed. It's just a matter of who's going to cause us the most stitches in our asses.”

“The narrow- two solution- buy it or bomb it politics of the Mcbamaton Party has a long repel back to the lower levels of humanities base camps. Choice of a guide would best be based on qualities of humility. But, don't ask me, I'm the bozo in the far rear of the bus.”

“Watt weed eye dud knot undonestranded me.”

“Obama thinks we have 57 States. Dumb.”

“�Again, how many votes does each delegate in the republican system count as?�
Nigal


Again - there are pledged delegates chosen by the voters (each vote represents x number of voters) and unpledged delegates drawn from party officials. Their votes count the same as the pledged delegate so one unpledged delegate's vote equals the will of x number of voters.

Actually in the Republican system, depending on the state, the delegates seated by the primary voters may not be bound by the will of the voters, but can vote according to the whims of the state party bosses - talk about corrupt!

If you really want to compare and contrast, you can go to the source: http://www.gop.com/images/2008_Call_FINAL.pdf and http://s3.amazonaws.com/apache.3cdn.net/3e5b3bfa1c1718d07f_6rm6bhyc4.pdf

... or you can just listen to talk radio and continue to gnash your teeth about those dirty Democrats.”

“Right, of course because I am not a liberal I learn everything from talk radio.

Buttplug...”

“...Republican...”

“Oh I thought we were just kidding around and trading barbs but ya go and call me that? Didn't realize I actually insulted you and pushed you to that point V. I apologize. LOL!”

“Obama thinks we have 57 States. Dumb. Stovie

Rite on, anyone knows Japan and China co-hold the deeds to that seven and the original fifty.

Hey frying pan, did you smoke the pot?”

“In a show of followership, John Edwards endorses Obama.

Way to lead from the back, John.”

“LOL”

“Obama the sexist?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4STLISLdxi4”

“Bacpac, will you cry when Obama is president? Can you please post a picture?”

“We all better cry if Obama gets elected.”

“Obama's a racist - how can you support racism, roseymonster? It's okay as long as it's directed at whites?”

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Obama's Is an Appalachia Problem, Not a Whites Problem

By JONATHAN TILOVE
c.2008 Newhouse News Service

WASHINGTON _ According to exit polls, Hillary Clinton won 67 percent of the white vote in West Virginia, America's third whitest state. Yet in early March, Barack Obama won 60 percent of the white vote in Vermont, the nation's second-whitest state.

What gives?

America is learning a lot about race this year, most recently that not all white voters are alike. There are enormous regional differences in how whites vote, differences with deep historical roots.

Clinton's romp in West Virginia, and in all likelihood another in neighboring Kentucky next week, do not prove that Obama has a problem with white voters generally or that whites have turned on him in recent weeks. He is expected to win in Oregon on Tuesday _ it's 21st on the list of whitest states. His campaign noted Wednesday that he is doing better right now with white voters in national match-ups with John McCain than either Al Gore or John Kerry did in their campaigns against George W. Bush.

But Clinton's West Virginia landslide does mean that Obama, for reasons that go beyond race, has a problem with Appalachia's whites and the Scots-Irish who settled there and forever branded its culture.

As Sen. Jim Webb, D-Va., argues in his 2004 book, ``Born Fighting: How the Scots-Irish Shaped America,'' the Scots-Irish are a particularly pugnacious people, self-reliant and hyper-individualistic, who place honor above profit.

These are the people whose ancestors lived and fought along the brutal borderlands between England and Scotland, and later in Northern Ireland (they are the Protestants of Ulster). Unlike other British settlers, the Scots-Irish, Webb writes, migrated ``directly to the wilderness of the Appalachian Mountains, bypassing even the rudiments of colonial civilization.''

Frequently occupying the lower rungs socially and economically, they have always been the most likely to fight and die for their country, Webb writes. They don't cling to guns; they proudly pass them on to their young sons as a rite of passage Webb likens to a ``Redneck Bar Mitzvah.'' Webb's father gave him his first rifle when he was 8 and his first pair of boxing gloves when he was 6.

Around the same time, his father laid out ``the eternal ground rules for street fighting,'' which now find their echoes in the last days of the Clinton campaign: ``Never start a fight, but never run away, even if you know you are going to lose. ... And whomever you fight, you must make them pay. You must always mark them, so that the next day they have to face the world with a black eye or a cut lip or a bruised cheek, and remember where they got it.''

Enter the silky, smooth-faced and super-smart Obama. With his Harvard pedigree, mellifluous voice and high-minded talk of moving beyond the politics of confrontation, he is totally out of place in Appalachia.

It's like casting Hugh Grant instead of Mel Gibson as William Wallace in ``Braveheart.''

``What people don't understand about Appalachia is that we've heard all this `hope' and `change' stuff since the English kicked the Scotch-Irish out in the 1700s. We're `hoped' out. Nothing ever changes out here,'' Dave ``Mudcat'' Saunders, a Virginia political strategist who worked on John Edwards' campaign, told The Politico on the eve of the West Virginia vote.

For those keeping score, seven of the 10 whitest states in the nation have held their primaries or caucuses. The Illinois senator has won five and the New York senator two _ New Hampshire by an inch and now West Virginia by a country mile.

Stretch it to the 20 whitest states and the tally is 12 for Obama and five for Clinton, with three to go. If you limit it to primary and not caucus states, of the 20 whitest states, Obama has won four _ Vermont, Wisconsin, Utah and Missouri _ and Clinton has won five _ New Hampshire, West Virginia, Indiana, Pennsylvania and Ohio.

Appalachia reaches from western New York and Pennsylvania down through eastern Ohio, all of West Virginia, stretches of western Virginia and the Carolinas, eastern Kentucky and Tennessee and on into north Georgia and Alabama and northeastern Mississippi. As Josh Marshall noted in posting on Talking Points Memo after the West Virginia results were in, the map of Appalachia lines up pretty well with a map of counties where Clinton has won more than 60 percent of the vote.

``She's won the Appalachian region of every state contested,'' wrote Dana Houle, who in his postings on Daily Kos has dissected how Obama's difficulty in Appalachia does not necessarily translate into a broader or more permanent problem with white voters.

``No, Obama doesn't have a racial problem,'' Houle concluded. ``It appears that Appalachia has an Obama problem.''

Unlike John Kennedy who, with loads of charm and money won an unexpected and decisive victory in the West Virginia primary in 1960, Obama barely contested West Virginia and seems to be taking a pass on Kentucky as well.

While his being black, or biracial, didn't help Obama there and elsewhere in Appalachia, ascribing racist motivations to Clinton supporters ignores the obvious, according to Michael Lind, a senior fellow at the New American Foundation. They could go with the newcomer Obama, who in April explained to some wealthy San Franciscans _ their cultural arch-enemies _ that small-town folks like them weren't with him because they were ``bitter'' about their lot. Or they could stick with a Clinton.

``Bill Clinton won Pennsylvania, Ohio, Kentucky and West Virginia in 1992 and again four years later,'' Lind wrote on Salon. ``Is it at all surprising that these very same voters, facing a recession, would choose another Democrat with the last name Clinton?''

In his classic work, ``Albion's Seed,'' Brandeis University historian David Hackett Fischer described the four distinctly different British migrations that made America.

Obama is a much more appealing candidate to whites like those in New England (though he lost Massachusetts and Rhode Island decisively), who inhabit the lands first settled by the more intellectual and moralistic Puritans, and the places from the Great Lakes to the Pacific Northwest where those New Englanders migrated.

In other words, Obama is more in the John Adams or John Qunicy Adams mold, and voters in Appalachia are Andrew Jackson Democrats, for whom John McCain, with his Scots-Irish heritage and temperament, may appear to be the real McCoy.

``John McCain is very true to his Southern Highlands Mississippi origins,'' said Fischer, the historian.

Or as Patrick Ruffini, a Republican strategist, wrote on his blog back in February, ``I've heard more than one guy mention McCain's volcanic temper as a positive. They equate this with toughness against our enemies.''

Once Democrats, Webb says the Scots-Irish created the ``core culture around which Red State America has gathered and thrived.'' But he does not believe they are irrevocably lost to the Democrats.

``In fact,'' Webb wrote in The Wall Street Journal in 2004, ``the greatest realignment in modern politics would take place rather quickly if the right national leader found a way to bring the Scots-Irish and African-Americans to the same table, and so to redefine a formula that has consciously set them apart for the past two centuries.''

It's an intriguing statement from a man who two years later was elected to the Senate and is now frequently mentioned as a potential running-mate for Obama.


http://www.newhouse.com/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=51166”

“Obama took Kansas 75 to 25.”

“Looks like Obama picked up yet another endorsement.


Are terrorists ‘phone banking’ for Barack?

By Steve Gill, Friday, May 16, 2008 12:53 am
Updated: Friday, May 16, 2008 12:53 am

The 2008 Presidential campaign has already seen a number of outlandish, and patently false, attacks. The idea that Islamic terrorists are picking a side in selection of an American President might seem to be yet another for the list…if it wasn’t true.

Ahmed Yousef, a top political adviser for terrorist group Hamas, said in an interview on WABC radio in New York a few weeks ago that the group supports Obama.

“We like Mr. Obama. We hope he will (win) the election and I do believe he is like John Kennedy, great man with great principle, and he has a vision to change America to make it in a position to lead the world community but not with domination and arrogance,” Yousef explained. Hamas, which seized control of the Palestinian Gaza last June, has long been designated as a terrorist group by the U.S. State Department.

The Obama campaign claimed to be “flattered” by the Hamas endorsement, and Obama himself told the Atlantic magazine that he understands why Hamas would support him.

“It's conceivable that there are those in the Arab world who say to themselves, 'This is a guy who spent some time in the Muslim world, has a middle name of Hussein and appears more worldly and has called for talks with people, and so he's not going to be engaging in the same sort of cowboy diplomacy as George Bush.’" Obama concluded that the perception is “legitimate” as long as they understand he will be “unyielding” in his support for Israel.

So what have Barack’s Hamas newfound supporters been up to lately? Well, on the very day President Bush arrived in Israel to mark the nation’s 60th anniversary and to renew his push for a Palestinian state as part of elusive Israeli-Palestinian peace process, a rocket was fired into an Israeli shopping mall. The mall was devastated, and 14 innocent civilians were seriously injured. The Popular Resistance Committees, which has Hamas members, was one of two organizations that claimed responsibility for the attack.

The Hamas endorsement of Obama is even more interesting when viewed against the backdrop of the group’s aggressive promotion of violence among young Palestinians in Gaza and in the context of a recent Al-Jazeera story about how young Palestinians in Gaza have banded together to call American voters at random asking them to vote for Obama! Rockets by night, Obama phone banks by day?

“It all started at the time of the U.S. primaries,” says the pro-Obama Palestinian organizer, 23-year-old Ibrahim Abu Jayyab. “After studying Obama’s electronic campaign manifesto I thought this is a man that’s capable of change inside of America. As for potential change in the Middle East, he can also do that if he can bring peace to the area. At least this is what we hope.” The Al-Jazeera television report can be viewed at www.youtube.com/watch?v=21YF7ggCG6g.

Obama’s campaign may argue that there is no apparent link between the young Palestinian men and the Hamas terrorist organization. But would anyone other than the Obama campaign seriously believe that young Palestinian men are allowed free and easy access to operate an internet phone bank in the impoverished and violent Gaza Strip without Hamas’ knowledge and approval?

The support that Obama is receiving from avowed terrorist enemies of America should bother him. The fact that it does not bother him should bother us even more than the fact that terrorists see something in him that they really like.”

“Of course Terrorists like Obama. Obama has indicated sympathy to Hamas and Iran. Obama said about working Americans, "And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

Huh?”

“No, Obama doesn't have a racial problem, - article

Nah, he doesn't have a problem with typical, bitter white people. Nor does his "kill whitey" spiritual adviser. Or his political heroes. Nope, no issues with whites at all.

The reason liberal whites are willing to overlook his racism is that they truly want to believe that race relations have improved and that color doesn't matter and that they're culturally enlightened and superior over those damn redneck republicans.

It's really too bad that Obama is so slimey, because a decent, non-racist black president would be an honest breakthrough for America. But unfotunately, for the liberal self-hating white-guilt crowd any slick talking black man with the right kind of empty, feel-good rhetoric would've sufficed, as indeed it has.”

“Hello, President Obama...”

“Now, there is a depressing thought!”

“Better pick up some lithium...”

“Of course we'll all, including the poor, be footing the bill for your lithium.”

“It took Bush 8 years to destroy this country. Obama will finish the job in his first 6 months.”

“"It took Bush 8 years to destroy this country. Obama will finish the job in his first 6 months."
WK

Can I quote you?”

“Oblamas out number the Obamas.”

“I think WK must subscribe to the McCain School of Prognostication.

How much fer one of them diplomees?”

“Yes

I am not voting for any of these ass holes. McCain is no better”