Obama for President 2008

“Redxing, I agree with you that Obama's attempt to cover it up after writing a book with that part in there IS laughable. Obama publically claimed he just "forget" when he was first asked that question. How stupid. And now he wants to be President, after a couple years in the Senate?”

“Oh, there's plenty of racism to go around..... and we're not even revved up yet.”

“Criticizing a black candidate = racist. Got it.


What else? I'm gonna have to start writing these down.”

“Now that you mention it,

It's quite de rigueur lately --- accusing the black guy of being racist. � We know Ed isn't above delivering the lowest blow he can muster (even if it is cut&paste from email).�� Nothing new under the sun in that department.

Wasn't it McCain getting the treatment eight years ago?
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“But what if it's true?

The Clinton camp isn't known for being racist yet they're pulling no punches either.


PS: prosecutor is no racist and just raising the specter that someone else might be doesn't make one so
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“The Clinton camp is Democrap, therefore they can say any thing they want.

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I'm no longer surprised by the blindness of even the "moderate" libbie folks toward anything the Democraps do. A good example is the current mess of Hillary! trying to keep the casino workers from voting. COUNT THE VOTES!
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StoveStomper
12:21:40 PM
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“

Mama, please make the man quit shouting �Obama sucks!�
He's scaring me.”

“

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“Hate, hate, hate. Stovey just lives on it.”

“What a putz............”

“Hillary! boys”

“When has politics EVER not been about smeer campaigns?”

“Interesting bit on the smear emails circulating about Obama on CNN yesterday. � They move from state to state according to the Primary schedule.”

“One term, watch them squirm.”

“Clinton hopes to paint Obama as healthcare flip-flopper
By Andy Barr
Posted: 01/22/08 05:33 PM [ET]
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s (D-N.Y.) campaign released a Web video Tuesday backing up the former first lady’s claim that Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) has changed positions on single-payer healthcare.

The video compares statements Obama made during Monday night’s Democratic debate with those he made to an AFL-CIO conference in June 2003 while campaigning for the Senate. Contradicting what Obama said at the debate, the old footage shows the senator saying, “I happen to be a proponent of single-payer universal healthcare coverage.

“That’s what I’d like to see,” Obama told the union at the time. “But as all of you know, we may not get there immediately because first we have to take back the White House, we have to take back the Senate and we have to take back the House.”

At the debate, Obama stated: “I never said that we should try to go ahead and get single-payer.

“What I said was: If I were starting from scratch, if we didn’t have a system where employers typically provided healthcare, I would probably go with a single-payer system.”

Clinton attacked Obama on what she said is a changing position and referenced the remarks he made in 2003.

“We have seen, once again, a kind of evolution here,” she said. “When Sen. Obama ran for the Senate he said he was for single-payer and said he was for single-payer if we could get a Democratic president and a Democratic Congress.

“As time went on, the last four or so years, he said he was for single-payer in principle, then he was for universal healthcare,” Clinton added. “And then his policy is not … universal.”

Obama struck back, saying the only thing that had evolved is Clinton’s “presentation of my positions, which has happened frequently in this campaign.””

“Hillary-Obama feud alarms party officials

By Christina Bellantoni
January 23, 2008

So much for that truce.

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama are increasingly going after each other, prompting top Democrats to warn they are muddying the party's image in advance of the general election.

Sen. John Kerry, the 2004 Democratic nominee whose campaign was hurt by Republican-funded "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" ads, yesterday told voters he will help Mr. Obama fend off attacks.

"The truth matters, but how you fight the lies matters even more. We must be determined never again to lose any election to a lie," he said in an e-mail to supporters.

The message does not mention Mrs. Clinton, but notes the anonymous e-mails that are circulating that question Mr. Obama's Christian faith and said, "We're fighting back.

"The fight is just heating up — we won't let them steal this election with lies and distortions," Mr. Kerry said.

Former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, a South Dakota Democrat who backs Mr. Obama, said yesterday the Clinton attack of "incredible distortions" is similar to what he has seen Republicans deploy.

"It destroys the party ultimately," said Mr. Daschle, who was defeated after a bitter election in 2004. He predicted the nasty tone will have a "huge lasting effect down the road ... if it doesn't stop soon."”

“Obama's Clinton Education
January 23, 2008; Page A24

One of our favorite Bill Clinton anecdotes involves a confrontation he had with Bob Dole in the Oval Office after the 1996 election. Mr. Dole protested Mr. Clinton's attack ads claiming the Republican wanted to harm Medicare, but the President merely smiled that Bubba grin and said, "You gotta do what you gotta do."

We're reminded of that story listening to Barack Obama protest his treatment by the now ex-President Clinton on behalf of his wanna-be-President wife. "You know the former President, who I think all of us have a lot of regard for, has taken his advocacy on behalf of his wife to a level that I think is pretty troubling," Mr. Obama told a TV interviewer. "He continues to make statements that are not supported by the facts -- whether it's about my record of opposition to the war in Iraq or our approach to organizing in Las Vegas."
[The Clintons]

Now he knows how the rest of us feel.

The Illinois Senator is still a young man, but not so young as to have missed the 1990s. He nonetheless seems to be awakening slowly to what everyone else already knows about the Clintons, which is that they will say and do whatever they "gotta" say or do to win. Listen closely to Mr. Obama, and you can almost hear the echoes of Bob Dole at the end of the 1996 campaign asking, "Where's the outrage?"

This has been the core of the conservative critique of the Clintons for years. So it is illuminating to hear the same critique coming from Mr. Obama and his supporters now that his candidacy poses a threat to the return of the Clinton dynasty. Even Democrats are now admitting the Clintons don't tell the truth -- at least until Mrs. Clinton wins the nomination.

Mr. Obama's two examples are instructive because they are so wonderfully Clintonian. On the eve of the New Hampshire primary, Mr. Clinton attacked Mr. Obama's claims of having opposed the Iraq war all along as a "fairy tale." This is a tough charge coming from a two-term Democratic President in a Democratic primary, and it probably helped turn some voters against Mr. Obama.

But it was also a classic distortion intended to turn voter attention away from his wife's own Iraq fairy tale. She's the candidate who voted for the war and backed it for years before she decided she had to be sort of against it, only to later become really against it, and now to favor a withdrawal starting in 60 days. We think Mr. Obama is dangerously wrong about Iraq, but compared to Mrs. Clinton he's a model of consistency.

Then there's Mr. Clinton's moaning before Saturday's Nevada caucuses that his wife's supporters were being strong-armed by pro-Obama unions at casino voting sites. Clinton campaign allies sued and lost on the matter, and the former President sounded like a Chicago ward heeler as he told reporters about the Obama campaign's voter-intimidation tactics. Yet on the day of the vote Mrs. Clinton won at seven of the nine casino sites, and the Obama campaign was left asking if its vote had been suppressed. It wouldn't be the first time Mr. Clinton accused an opponent of doing something his own campaign was planning to do.

Some in the press corps argue that Mr. Clinton's attacks are hurting his wife. But if they were, he'd stop. His behavior is part of the familiar Clinton playbook of letting others do the dirty work so the candidate can stay above the fray. Hillary and other surrogates took on the task of saving her husband from his lies under oath by inventing the specter of the "vast right-wing conspiracy," calling Paula Jones trailer trash, and portraying the widely respected Ken Starr as a rabid partisan.

Now Bill is returning the favor by attacking Mr. Obama; at the same time, other surrogates raise his long-ago cocaine use, only to apologize after it's been widely reported. News reports also say that so-called robo-calls in Nevada repeatedly referred to Mr. Obama by his middle name, "Hussein." And emails suddenly appeared last week on Jewish lists accusing the African-American Senator of being fond of Louis Farrakhan. Mr. Obama had to disavow Mr. Farrakhan and his associates.

Meanwhile, Mrs. Clinton can claim to disapprove of these attacks, and even assert that she herself is being unfairly picked on by the media because she's a woman. She wants to make the primary contest about race and gender, rather than about Mr. Obama's larger, more inspiring message of change. She can then diminish Mr. Obama and make the choice a trench fight for the votes of typical Democratic constituencies. You gotta do what you gotta do.

"I understand him wanting to promote his wife's candidacy," Mr. Obama added on Sunday, referring to Bill Clinton. "She's got a record that she can run on. But I think it's important that we try to maintain some -- you know, level of honesty and candor during the course of the campaign. If we don't, then we feed the cynicism that has led so many Americans to be turned off to politics."

Welcome to the education of Barack Obama.”

“WFT, those two can fight it out and maybe Eduardo will get the nomination.”

“mArKo is a Hillary! boy.”

“Seems like a lot of the old guard is jumping the Hillary ship in favor of Obama. Ted Kennedy, Kerry, others.

So, what's the reason for this?

1. They don't think Hillary can carry enough of the moderate vote and that moderates will be drawn to the right as a result.

2. They truly don't think she will be a good leader.

However, if she gets into office, you can bet some heads are gonna roll...”

“rosey is a Hillary! boy.”

“I'm actually undecided, but thanks for playing.”

“I'm a little bemused at the news coverage he's getting. The news paints his campaign as some sort of miraculous story of success but based on the delegate count so far Obama is getting his ass kicked by Hillary.”

“Some of this was old news, and who really cares but I thought I'd post it anyway.

Hillary Rodham Clinton

� Barbra Streisand, Rob Reiner and actress Mary Steenburgen

John Edwards

� Singers Jackson Browne and Bonnie Raitt and actor James Denton

Rudy Giuliani

� Pat Robertson, actor Jon Voight and New York Yankees outfielder Johnny Damon

Mike Huckabee

� Chuck Norris, wrestler Ric Flair and singer Ted Nugent

John McCain

� Sylvester Stallone, Boston Red Sox pitcher Curt Schilling and actor Wilford Brimley

Barack Obama

� Oprah Winfrey, Will Smith and Larry David

Ron Paul

� Comedian Bill Maher, singer Aimee Allen and wrestler Sean Morley

Mitt Romney

� Country singer Randy Owen, conservative religious leader Paul Weyrich and conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt

Sources: CBS; MSNBC; news wires.”

“Who is this Brocko. And why is it important that he is from Bama?”

“Go Ron Paul.”

“Obama has more delegate than Hillary. It's like 63 to 38, I think.”

“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ-mL_iIoss

awesome speech today by Obama!!!

He is the best presidential candidate since RFK.”

“LMAO!!!!!!!!

He has NO experience!

Quick, name one thing he's done without looking it up, besides RUN FOR PRESIDENT.”

“His words are full of shiiiitttt tooo He says nothing . Remind me when I was in the military at all the bars.....Picking up women....all you had to do is tell them what they wanted to hear.......Hussein Obama has you fooled......he is a phony.....We will be in trouble with this punk......”

“The more i think of his words , he remind me of Insurance salesman.......Full of talk. He is Trash on the market.
I still love ya EartNsky....I admire a man who knows he is doomed and never admits it.. Peace BRO...
Hell I'm IRISH......Good mornin to ya LAD..and the rest of the day too ME.
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“all you had to do is tell them what they wanted to hear

You must have went to the classy military bars. The ones I went to you didn't even have to do that!”

“VOTE FOR THE BEST CANDIDATE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN....That's American..and that's why we can backpack in a free country.

If Hillary gets in we are in serious trouble.......VOTE FOR FRIDGE....I stand short and FAT... And I can get all backpackers on my political pages and give them all free insurance....you won't need too worry about retirement... you will draw your salary for the rest of your life and free medical.....you don't need social security either......Together we can make a change and stop developement and build TRAILS.......DRINK UP HIKERS>>>>>
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“CNN is reporting a total delegate count of 230 Clinton to 153 Obama here:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/

Yet here they show the numbers you posted and list them as pledged delegates.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/

Interesting.”

“I went to the ones that had no VD SARGE... I NEVER GOT the disease... yep, I was a work of the Irish I was in those days.....all the woman eyed this ole Paratrooper.....Second to nobody death from above.....
2nd / 75th RANGER BATTALLION.....AIRBORNE ALL THE WAY.. Then I went to Panama and then to the 101st in KENTUCKY, 3rd / 187th RAKKASAN BATTALLION..
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“hoo-ah!, First to Fight”

“Here's the original Rosey post I'm responding to:
"Seems like a lot of the old guard is jumping the Hillary ship in favor of Obama. Ted Kennedy, Kerry, others.

So, what's the reason for this?

1. They don't think Hillary can carry enough of the moderate vote and that moderates will be drawn to the right as a result.

2. They truly don't think she will be a good leader.

However, if she gets into office, you can bet some heads are gonna roll...�
roseymonster
9:30:11 AM
1/28/08"


My opinion is VERY different, rather than talk about all the negatives Rosey has mentioned about Hillary, I think many see Barak as a very POSITIVE person.. they're leaning toward him because he's talking about THE FUTURE, NOT THE PAST!

YAAAAAAAA Barak! Go for it, dude, GO FOR IT... RUN RUN RUN, I am VERY pleased to see a positive politician out there. IN FACT, call me, I may potentially even be a local neighborhood supporter / proponent... I LIKE your POSITIVE ATTITUDE!


Rosey, Hillary is focussing too much on negative &#$#%$#@, she's a loser, IMHO!

Mesaage to Hillary: Talk about POSITIVE STEPS GOING FORWARD!! STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT THE PAST - ANYONE CAN DO THAT! WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO TO FIX IT!?”

“Well... he certainly is an engaging public speaker. I've got some studying to do before the 5th.”

“other engaging public speakers-

Hitler
Kermit D Frog
Gil Gottfreid
Marylyn Monroe

Not the best presidential choices.”

“Interesting. � Weyrich has a pipeline directly into Dick Mellon Scaife (along with Brent Bozell) so if they are behind Romney that sucker needs to crash and burn into the nearest toilet.”

“Speaking of crashing, mind if we track who's behind Obama?”

“Obama promises driver's licenses to illegal immigrants

SanFran Chronicle Washington Bureau

Monday, January 28, 2008


(01-28) 04:00 PST Washington -- Sen. Barack Obama easily won the African American vote in South Carolina, but to woo California Latinos, where he is running 3-to-1 behind rival Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, he is taking a giant risk: spotlighting his support for the red-hot issue of granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants.

It's a huge issue for Latinos, who want them. It's also a huge issue for the general electorate, which most vehemently does not. Obama's stand could come back to haunt him not only in a general election, but with other voters in California, where driver's licenses for illegal immigrants helped undo former Gov. Gray Davis.

Clinton stumbled into that minefield in a debate last fall and quickly backed off. First she suggested a New York proposal for driver's licenses for illegal immigrants might be reasonable. Then she denied endorsing the idea, and later came out against them.

Asked directly about the issue now, her California campaign spokesman said Clinton "believes the solution is to pass comprehensive immigration reform."

"Barack Obama has not backed down" on driver's licenses for undocumented people, said Federico Peña, a former Clinton administration Cabinet member and Denver mayor now supporting Obama. "I think when the Latino community hears Barack's position on such an important and controversial issue, they'll understand that his heart and his intellect is with Latino community."

Obama's intention is to draw distinctions between himself and Clinton on what are otherwise indistinguishable positions on immigration. Both have adopted the standard Democratic approach of favoring tougher enforcement along with earned legalization.

The Illinois senator is differentiating himself in three key areas: driver's licenses, a promise to take up immigration reform his first year in office, and his background as the son of an immigrant (his father was Kenyan) and a community organizer in Chicago.

Obama made the promise to Latino leaders to take up immigration reform in his first year after Rep. Rahm Emanuel, D-Ill., chairman of the Democratic caucus, said his party might not raise the divisive issue again until the next president's second term, assuming a Democrat wins.

Latino leaders felt betrayed. For them, an immigration overhaul is a top priority in light of state and local crackdowns on illegal immigrants and federal raids in workplaces across the country.

Clinton has not made such a promise, saying only that she would make her best efforts.

"Those issues are huge," said Obama supporter and state Sen. Gilbert Cedillo, D-Los Angeles, vice chairman of the California Latino Legislative Caucus.

Democratic pollsters Stan Greenberg and James Carville issued a direct warning on the driver's license issue in an analysis last month designed to guide Democrats through the treacherous immigration quagmire.

"The findings about driver's licenses are particularly notable," they said. Two-thirds of surveyed voters oppose them, the pollsters found, and the safety argument fails to dent the widespread conviction that granting a driver's license rewards illegal behavior.

But it will definitely work with Latinos, said John Trasviña, president of the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund. "Clinton and (Sen. John) Edwards have said no driver's licenses for unauthorized immigrants," Trasviña said. "Sen. Obama has said you get a driver's license if you know how to drive. And that message I think will resonate in the Latino community as we get closer to California."

The latest California Field Poll shows Clinton leads among Latinos 59 percent to 19 percent. That's bigger than the margin that handed her Nevada just over a week ago and about how well former President Bill Clinton did with Latinos in California when he won the state in 1992 and 1996, said poll director Mark DiCamillo.

One in 3 Californians is Latino, and although they make up just 14 percent of the electorate, they are 1 in 5 Democratic primary voters, according to the nonpartisan Public Policy Institute of California.

"That's a very sizable group and a leading indicator in terms of younger and new voters," president Mark Baldassare said. "That's just the demographics of our state. They're a really crucial group."

Clinton's biggest asset is "El Presidente."

Thanks to Bill Clinton's presidency, during which he lavished attention on California, and her own eight years as first lady, Hillary Clinton enjoys enormous name recognition among Latinos.

She has also done her spadework. Clinton picked up early endorsements from leading Latinos such as Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, Assembly Speaker Fabian Núñez and fabled farmworker organizer Dolores Huerta.

Clinton opened her new East Lost Angeles campaign office Saturday with three Latina members of Congress: Hilda Solis, Grace Napolitano and Lucille Roybal-Allard.

Obama has lined up several lesser-known officials, including Assemblyman Joe Coto, D-San Jose, chair of the Latino Legislative Caucus, as well as Rep. Linda Sanchez, D-Cerritos, who split from her sister, Rep. Loretta Sanchez, a Clinton backer from Garden Grove.

While Clinton has the backing of the United Farm Workers, Obama has picked up the endorsement of Unite Here, a heavily immigrant service workers union.

Both camps discount speculation of simmering racial hostility that might make some Latinos reluctant to vote for a black man.

"The familiarity with President Clinton has given her a very, very big lead from the beginning," said Maria Elena Durazo, secretary-treasurer for the Los Angeles County Federation of Labor who is campaigning for Obama.

If there were racial animosity, "obviously we would have to address that very directly," Durazo said. But mostly the response Durazo gets when she asks Latinos about Obama is, "Who is he? I don't know who he is," whereas with Clinton, the answer comes back, "We know Presidente Bill Clinton."

Maria Echaveste, a UC Berkeley law lecturer advising the Clinton campaign, agreed. "Everyone is so quick to jump on" the racial angle, she said. "But, frankly, I think the explanation is a much greater number of people know her and love Bill Clinton."

Huerta, a longtime Latina activist and co-founder of the United Farm Workers union, scoffed at Obama's credentials with Latinos. Clinton worked in the Rio Grande Valley in Texas as a young woman, she said, while Obama was missing in action during two major activist events in Chicago, once when Elvira Arellano sought church sanctuary to avoid deportation, and another time when two Latino men were falsely accused of murder.

"He's now trying to build a relationship, but it's just not there," Huerta said. In Nevada, casino workers dubbed themselves "Hilarios," she said, meaning Hillary supporters. "This came from the people."

With Obama, she said, "A lot of them would say, 'Señor como se llama?' They didn't know Obama's name."

Latinos also trust Clinton, Huerta said. "Support for her is not just support; it's enthusiastic support. In fact, I haven't seen anything like this since the Bobby Kennedy campaign back in '68."

Obama has begun airing campaign ads on Spanish-language TV and his supporters are working hard to promote Obama's activist Chicago roots, which Peña declared forged "a personal connection with Latinos that no other candidate has had."

Added Durazo, "He's the son of an immigrant, he's the son of a single mother who sacrificed a lot to make sure he got his education. All of those issues resonate with a hotel housekeeper, a construction worker, a day laborer. ... I have great hope that we're going to break through that gap in a big way."”

“So how come Latinos for the most part like Hillary better, anyway? I've heard that a much smaller percentage favor Obama. Is that an obvious question? I'm totally ignorant...”

“Bloomberg has said he won't run against Obama, He hasn't said that about Hillary. Remember that Ross dude?
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“Wilbur Farnsworth has endorsed Obama.

Wilbur holds the world record for the largest aluminum foil ball.”

“is that to keep the aliens off his porch?”

“Barack's state of the union response

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmNCALGHOC4”

“He sure is right about most things, but he's not the answer to any of his Changes. He ain't got no Texas tongue tango in his talk, Ya'll.”

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� � � � � That's � � Y'all, � � Folks.

� � � (cue the Merrie Melodies theme)

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