Old Man McCain

“Now, who here is willing to admit they voted for the village idiot? Come on now, don't be shy!! And the excuses come a rollin' in...

If you're talking about Bush then I admit I voted for him...twice. Am I proud of the job he's done? [see below]

Newsflash: the govt. is the biggest its ever been under...G.W.! Shocker!!!

Which is the biggest disappointment for me, as someone who voted for him. But you have failed to explain why smaller government isn't a good thing. You simply point at Bush (a failure at limiting government) and try and use that as an excuse for the possible expansion of the federal government under a democrat. As I have pointed out Obama's policies call for the creation of 2,000,000 more federal jobs and an even bigger budget than Bush is spending.”

“http://www.mrc.org/cyberalerts/2008/cyb20080221.asp#2

NY Times Not So Eager to Report Adultery
Charges Against Clinton

So the New York Times has released a story by a four-person investigative team alleging a potentially inappropriate relationship between Sen. John McCain, the apparent GOP nominee for president, and a lobbyist named Vicki Iseman, three decades his junior. There is no proof of an inappropriate romantic or sexual relationship, merely suspicions by staff members now said to be disgruntled. So why is the Times biting on this story? A look back at a few Clinton sex scandals suggests a different standard for Republicans and Democrats.

[This item, by the MRC's Tim Graham, was posted Wednesday night on the MRC's blog, NewsBusters.org: newsbusters.org ]

# When Arkansas state troopers told The American Spectator and the Los Angeles Times in 1993 they secured sexual conquests for Gov. Bill Clinton, the MRC found:

As in the Gennifer Flowers case, the Times initially buried Clinton's sex scandal in small wire stories on the back pages. Washington Bureau Chief R.W. Apple proclaimed "The New York Times is not a supermarket tabloid." But the Times ran a front-page Maureen Dowd story the day before the release of Kitty Kelley's book -- without any of Kelley's critics, or any attempt to prove Kelley's allegations [that Nancy Reagan had an affair with Frank Sinatra]. The Times also ran a 1991 Fox Butterfield article which revealed the name of William Kennedy Smith's accuser and described her "wild streak," her fondness for drinking, and her speeding tickets.

# In 1999, when Juanita Broaddrick came forward to charge Bill Clinton with sexual assault in a Little Rock hotel when he was attorney general of Arkansas, once again, the Times tried to be last and least:

The newspaper that published Kitty Kelley's allegations about Nancy Reagan's sex life on page one also touched the Broaddrick story as a media critique, lamenting that "smaller outlets on the Internet and cable television" are "overwhelming the slower and more sober judgments of mainstream news organizations." The Times followed up with a short mention from White House reporter James Bennet and a few TV articles from reporter Lawrie Mifflin.
last edited: 2/21/08 8:46:24 AM”

“I'd say it almost certainly comes from a member of his 2000 campaign team.”

“... based on .... ???”

“I sense another Viagra commercial in the making...”

“More , Remember when Clinton. John McLain is a big boy and doesn't have to emulate Bill to get votes, but really it is a good attempt to drag away some votes from Obama.”

“NOW y2 has me on ignore. LOL!!!”

“I do too.hehe”

“The only one ranting about socialism on here is XL, and I give him plenty of crap. I don't consider "silly libbies" or "LOL" rantings about socialism.�
Nonconformist
6:07:10 AM
2/21/08

Seriously dude - you don't even notice it? - it's constant. Several times yesterday, and that's not even counting the typical healthcare and global warming threads.

There's three people that drive most of the political threads on here, and they are ALL extreme right-wingers (even they would admit they sit on the right-wing of what is generally considered a right-wing party).

They all, and others, make wild claims about socialist plots and destroying America, and you see none of this? Then BB comes up and compares the Republicans to fascists and it's all crap.

I'm struggling to see how you don't notice any of this.”

“And you sir are a blithering idiot...

wait..I apologize, there are way to many blithering idiots I just insulted....”

“He sure is a blithering idiot, especially if he included me in this -

There's three people that drive most of the political threads on here, and they are ALL extreme right-wingers (even they would admit they sit on the right-wing of what is generally considered a right-wing party).

Really? And what party do you think I belong to?”

“right winger is WHY2's term for anyone who offers arguments he cannot logically debate.”

“Any liberal/conservative study I've ever taken, if it were 0 (liberal) to 100 (conservative), I've ended up at about 75% on the conservative side. There are plenty of people MORE conservative than I am.

Compared to THIS demographic I'm one on the far right, but this is just a subset of America (much to y2s dismay, I'm sure).

I wonder if y2 thinks the Republicans are conservative? LOL

So, what party was he saying I belonged to, or is he now going to deny he was talking about me?
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“http://www.mrc.org/press/2008/press20080221.asp

New York Times' Hit Job On McCain:
"Slide Into the Journalistic Toilet"

ALEXANDRIA, VA. --- With nothing more than nine-year-old gossip from shadowy, unnamed sources, the New York Times last night journalistically assaulted Senator John McCain, whom they endorsed for President, with a 3,000 word attempt to create out of whole cloth an improper sexual relationship between McCain and lobbyist Vicki Iseman.

Full of innuendo and devoid of facts, this nearly decade-old �news� story contains nothing new and nothing newsworthy. It serves only as the lowest form of smarmy political attack.

Brent Bozell issued the following statement:

It is beyond appalling that the New York Times continues its steady slide into the journalistic toilet with such a spurious, and so patently politically motivated, hit job. A ten-year old piece of gossip, with no evidence whatsoever -- this is what qualifies for "news" at this disgrace of a newspaper,� stated Brent Bozell, president of the Media Research Center.



(please, criticize the source after posting a NYT hit piece. LOL)”

“Let's blame it on Viagra.

His wife looks sorta like the snake in Jungle Book...

”

“It's going to be a mess when all the Swift Boat Liars hit the airwaves again this year. � 527s are synonymous with scorched earth.”

“Must make sure to remember the BS that flows from these guys' keyboards on a daily basis is not representative of their views. Also must remember that most of it is not true.

It's ok for them to label anyone they like as socialist or liberal - but they're just middle the road good old boys.

Sarge - you come and go from ignore. Sometimes it's just funny to watch you wailing and thrashing yourself about into another meltdown, normally when someone makes you look like an idiot.
last edited: 2/21/08 11:14:20 AM”

“So if I'm such an idiot, it should be very simple for you to answer the question. What party do I belong to?”

“Oh Tharge, we all know what an independent you are.”

“Bastion of independent thought - whose opinions just happen to coincide with Rush Limbaugh.”

“but but but, that's just a coincidence, and sarge comes up with them all by himself - sorry Sarge, forgot to add that.”

“The only Limbaugh I listen to are his commercials. LOL

Wrong again y2. Wrong again.

So, what party do I belong to?

You sure are avoiding that question.”

“Hey rosey, maybe you've missed it, but I've consistently said negative things about the Republicans. In fact, I don't remember the last time I've said anything positive about them.

But, it's more fun for you to make up your preconceptions about conservatives with your narrow wittle mind.

LOL! idiot
last edited: 2/21/08 11:26:13 AM”

“Well you said you were going to vote for Ron Paul

You've said you live in PA

PA primaries are closed....”

“Sarge likes to think of himself as being independent-minded - on a mission to point out liberal hypocracy. He sees himself as too independent of thought to be tied to any one party.

His criticism of the Republican party typically falls in line with the way much of the Conservative talk world also criticises them.
last edited: 2/21/08 11:35:02 AM”

“What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

I won't be voting for Ron Paul in the primaries, you idiot. I'm not a Republican, first of all. You have to be registred Republican to vote for him, if at all.

So, what party to I belong to, or were you just plain wrong above, like always?

LOL!”

“His criticism of the Republican party typically falls in line with the way much of the Conservative talk world also criticises them.
Y2

Imagine that. I'm admitadly a conservative, and my opinions are similar to other conservatives.

You should buy yourself a beer y2. You just figured something out.

Give yourself a red star.

LOL! idiot”

“[Steve Irwin voice] watch as y2 goes from saying I am a right winger Republican, as if I'm a party boy - to saying I'm a right-wing conservative, something I've always admitted to. LOL!

Crikey!”

“Natural Law Party, the triple chevs are like the Bushes the commies hide behind- long live Rosy MacDonald, AH?”

“You should buy yourself a beer y2. You just figured something out.

Give yourself a red star.

LOL! idiot�
Sarge
11:35:01 AM
2/21/08

It's not worth the reward Sarge - everyone sees through you and sees what you are - you know that.

Anyhow, I'm done with you for a while, see you at the next meltdown.”

“Shouldn't be long!

Hello 19%!!!!!!!!!”

“It's not worth the reward Sarge - everyone sees through you and sees what you are - you know that.

Which is what? A Republican? LOL! No wait ... a conservative!? ... No kidding! Wow, you saw throught that huh? Are you Superman? I should have wore my led underwear.

Crikey!”

“I cite bonafide scholars and Nigal comes up with a 38 year old editor to the National Review who has a BA from Goucher College (is that some team the SEC books to play thier football teams?) and no scholarly experience whatsoever. He's a pundit.

Unfortunately, this is part of the problem with the morons that are republicans. They can't even comprehend the difference between a scientist or scholar and a pundit or douchebag with an opinion.

The Axis of Idiots ride again I guess, but like Y2 pointed out, nobody is listening to them anymore. It's nothing more than one massive incestial circlejerk for the righty republicans these days, and that's good for the country and the rest of the world.”

“Yep, pretty much sums up what most people dislike about the liberal elitists who think they know better than everyone else: if you don't see things the way we see things, you're just not as smart as we are. Probably shouldn't be allowed to vote either.

Just leave everything to them. They'll take care of us because we really need that.�

-NC

I think most people would rather have a liberal intellectual run the country rather than a fascist idiot.”

“I think most people would rather have a liberal intellectual run the country rather than a fascist idiot.”
Buddha Bear
3:04:09 PM
2/21/08

Now if we can only find a liberal who is also an intellectual...



527s are synonymous with scorched earth.”
Tilt
11:09:11 AM
2/21/08


Very true. And they don't seem to listen when even the people they are supposedly trying to help ask them to get lost.”

“I cite bonafide scholars...
Buddha Bear
3:58:12 PM
2/21/08



"Bonafide scholars" does not equal accurate nor brilliant.”

“Seriously dude - you don't even notice it? - it's constant. Several times yesterday, and that's not even counting the typical healthcare and global warming threads.

There's three people that drive most of the political threads on here, and they are ALL extreme right-wingers (even they would admit they sit on the right-wing of what is generally considered a right-wing party).

They all, and others, make wild claims about socialist plots and destroying America, and you see none of this? Then BB comes up and compares the Republicans to fascists and it's all crap.

I'm struggling to see how you don't notice any of this.�
Y2
10:18:40 AM
2/21/08



Don�t struggle too hard.

I have seen references to socialism here, most of them trolling ploys, but apparently there is a whole slew of socialist fear mongering here that I�m missing? No, sorry, I haven�t seen it. In the future, please feel free to point it out to me and I will call them on it---as I�m sure you will do the same when the reverse is true. I will also call them on it when I spot it myself. Again, I�m sure you will do the same.

I don�t think that Sarge, StoveStomper, Violin/RTVW, and Pedxing (the FOUR who start most of the fuego threads) are all extreme right wingers. Might want to revisit that.

One last thing: I�m a pretty tolerant person. Most shiit doesn�t bother me because I don�t let it. But if there�s one thing I will not stand for, it�s someone with a British accent using the term, �seriously dude.� It�s just not right. That�s like someone here from the south saying �Cheerio� or �That was bloody well clever, old chap!� So please stop. :P”

“�It's going to be a mess when all the Swift Boat Liars hit the airwaves again this year. 527s are synonymous with scorched earth.�
Tilt
1:09:11 PM
2/21/08


GREAT..Tilty I am certain after making this defamitory statement you can back that up? NO?

Coward”

“If you did a total count and looked at percentages, I think you'd be pretty surprised how little fuego threads I start compared to some. Now finish them ..., that's a different story.

Hey y2, so you still haven't answered, what political party do I belong to (since you claim to know)?”

“Probably true. I just clicked off all topics but fuego and did a count of a few days.”

“Of the 3 recent ones on the main page, one was just a parody of another fuego thread meant to show how stupid it was, another was from 3 years ago.

I think the silly libbies start most of them.”

“The Silly Libby himself is not here to keep pace with you proliferators.”

“I thought you were....”

“If that was comparing me to the great SS , I'll take it as a compliment.”

“The New York Times story is one of the biggest journalistic turds i've seen in a while...it's either:
A. A horrible journalism story and shouldn't have been ran (cause nothing actually happened)
B. A political stunt (due to it's timing)

given the times history i'd say the later”

“
The McCain World Rift
By DAVID BROOKS
Published: February 22, 2008

The staff of the McCain campaign had a rude awakening last Jan. 25th. They opened The Washington Post and found a front-page story linking McCain�s campaign manager, Rick Davis, to the Russian aluminum magnate Oleg Deripaska. Who, some wondered, was feeding damaging information about Davis to the press?

Speculation inevitably settled, as it must in McCain World, upon John Weaver. For nearly a decade, stories about the inner workings of the McCain apparatus inevitably involved the Weaver-Davis rivalry. These two McCain advisers share a mutual hatred, one McCainiac told me Thursday, that is total, absolute and blinding.

The tensions, which divided the McCain presidential campaign until Weaver was forced out last summer, exist on many levels. First of all, there is a personal contest for the attention and love of John McCain. But there are broader issues as well.

Davis is a creature of the political mainstream. He is even-tempered and charming. He is a lobbyist and a friend of lobbyists. He is a good manager. In policy terms, his tastes tend toward the Republican center.

Weaver is a renegade. He has a darker personality. He�s not a member of elite Washington circles and resented the way McCain would occasionally get pulled into them. Weaver is a less effective bureaucrat, but his policy instincts are more daring and independent.....

”

“Interesting article NOT about John McCain.”

““I cite bonafide scholars and Nigal comes up with a 38 year old editor to the National Review who has a BA from Goucher College (is that some team the SEC books to play thier football teams?) and no scholarly experience whatsoever. He's a pundit."

Well Buddha, I think my have unwittingly mislead yourself by assuming I posted that as some type of response to a post of yours. Which was only made worse by the assumption I even read your post.”

“The old man just got an ALLY that doesn't really like him. Ralph runs.”

“I saw that too. Nader becomes less of a threat to the dems each time he runs though. Off the top of my head, in 00 I think he got 3-4% of the vote, and in 04 I think he got around 1% if that. Couple that with the excitement most dems have about Obama, and Nader will make even less of an impact this year. I do like his line of thinking on a couple of issues though.”