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“Granted, it may be possible to fall 40' and not hit the ground hard, but if a guy who has done it tells me it will hurt, I'm going to listen to him before I listen to the guy who has only read about it and says, naaa it wont hurt ;-)


To do otherwise would seem foolish, would it not?”

“"Granted, it may be possible to fall 40' and not hit the ground hard, but if a guy who has done it tells me it will hurt, I'm going to listen to him before I listen to the guy who has only read about it and says, naaa it wont hurt ;-)"

However, it depends on whether or not said person who read it, really read it on the internet. Because, as we all know, everything on the internet is true. ;)

"To do otherwise would seem foolish, would it not?"

I would take it under advisement, no doubt. However, I've been around my share of tall tales so count me skeptical.”

“A gentleman at a party once remarked how women were prostitutes. One lady objected to the generalization.

�My Dear,� said the gentleman to the lady, �would you go to bed with me for a million dollars?�

�Well, yes, I suppose I would,� she replied.

The gentleman then said, �Here�s $100. Let�s go then.�

�How dare you! What kind of person do you think I am?� the lady responded.

�My Dear, we have already established that. Now we are merely haggling over the price!�”

“Laqtis...

We must go climbing together some day. You have much to learn ;-)
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“Would be tough for anyone to admit to implementing failed policies for 20-years.”

“Teens usually have drug dealers that live in the master bedroom and are supplied by the guy the whole family calls doctor. In many families presription drugs are the problem for the whole family. If all else is too much work- throw done one of each.”

“"We must go climbing together some day. You have much to learn ;-)"

Hell no!

I've read on the internet that people can die from doing that!
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“LaQtis don't swing that way?”

“�"We must go climbing together some day. You have much to learn ;-)"

Hell no!

I've read on the internet that people can die from doing that!


Ya can't believe everything you read on the internet, besides... I wont get ya over 40' off the ground ;-)”

“Alcohol is THE gateway drug.

While I do not take drugs any more and I have never been a habitual user in high school; I can say with certainty that in almost every single case where I smoked pot I was already drinking when I did smoke.

Take Birch's dog as an example. This was her a few months ago...



Today she has to sell herself for sex to support her $500 a day drug habit.”

““A gentleman at a party once remarked how women were prostitutes. One lady objected to the generalization.

�My Dear,� said the gentleman to the lady, �would you go to bed with me for a million dollars?�

�Well, yes, I suppose I would,� she replied.

The gentleman then said, �Here�s $100. Let�s go then.�

�How dare you! What kind of person do you think I am?� the lady responded.

�My Dear, we have already established that. Now we are merely haggling over the price!�”

LOL! That's a good one! I think prostitution should be legalized as well. As with the drug problem we find that many if not close to all of the negative effects of the use of drugs and hookers is entirely due to it's abolition.”

“Who is your pimp, Nigal?”

“Meangreen. He doesn't hit me too often but he does make me do this one thing he calls The Stinky Pinky.

Actually the abusive pimp would be one of the first things to go with legalization.”

“Actually there are many abusive pimps in Nevada after prostitution was legalized.

" And, as Chong Kim, a survivor of prostitution who has worked with Farley, says, some of the legal brothel owners "are worse than any pimp. They abuse and imprison women and are fully protected by the state."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/sep/07/usa.gender”

“That is a case where regulation and brothel competition would alleviate the problem. If a brothel owner knows if he mistreats a ho and she goes elsewhere to ply her trade he loses money.

I'd say this is a reflection on the Nevada regulating body's failure.
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“As long as there is no real Punishment for violations of the priviledge (i.e. if we make drugs non criminalized and then do not crack down on those who misuse them) then there is no need to decriminalize.

Same with Prostitution....but there are way too many here who do not even have a gnats clue to the real problem.”

“Misuse would be defined by those laws that cover alcohol use now? You are going to run into the problem that alcohol is a drug and has even worse side effects than many of the newly legalized drugs. Awareness of just how damaging alcohol is would be brought to the forefront bringing the realization that our legal drug of choice was maybe less than formerly believed.”

“Sale, you checked up on the hazards of MJ use lately there?”

“Do you believe the same on Alcohol?”

“I think Alchohol is just as bad (often worse becuase of the "societal acceptance") but I do not believe that just because we cannot get a control on a crime we need to legalize it.

Hell if you go with that....think of the other crimes we could just walk away from...”

“But alcohol is legal - explain whether we legalize them all or make alcohol illegal again.
Just use the victimless crime template- it's not rocket science. If we are to protect the public from themselves break out the socialism uniforms.”

“Are you advocating that we legalize meth because alcohol is legal?”

“Place it under prescription controls -it is produced legally.”

“Legalizing meth won't make it any less dangerous, but it may mean that few meth heads are in prison.

Maybe we should put alcohol under prescription controls too.”

“In some ways it would be less dangerous, hopefully there'd be some standards involved in it's manufacture rather than having it produced in some meth-head's back room with all of his two brain cells being applied to the task.”

“Y2....I gotta ask...HOW in the hell do you make Meth safe?

Hell anyone here ever study the History of the stuff...The Nazis GAVE medicinally produced stuff to their soldiers...they ended up with the same symptoms as the drug heads on the street today.”

“I'm sure the AMA would love that, � ROF

"it's for medicinal purposes...."

”

“Does anybody have any doubt at this point if y2 is in this country as a communist plant to try to bring this country down?”

“Well you're giving yourself flexibility here.

If, just for example, cocaine were decriminalized, you'd probably have better results on turning people away from meth.

But I'm not really arguing for legalizing anyway.

I'd relax prosecution on some soft drugs, giving courts, police and prosecutors more flexibility on sentencing for extreme cases. I'd also legalize some drugs for medicinal purposes.

I'd also get relax, but not get rid of, some of the sentences for harder drugs.

I'd make the basic assumption that we're not going to win the war on drugs, and that a number of people will always take them - then work on education, support to try and wean addicts off.

This may involve controlled presription of some hard drugs, in attemt to divide off drug addiction from crime.

We need to look and see this person is an addict. Do we continue to waste money on punishing him for this, while his addiction forces him to crime or at least supports organized crime, or do we try to limit the damage his addiction does to the rest of society.
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“I'm breathing deep and fast after running out and looking under all the Bushs for English Commies- all I found was illigrants with packpacks full of meth crystal.”

“I vote for the China method.”

“Y2 is right. Drugs would be far safer if legalized. ODs would drop to nothing because there would be no guessing as to the drug's purity. Plus the spread of AIDS would be next to nothing because needle sharing wouldn't be needed.

Here are some interesting facts when you compare USA to the Netherlands.

Drug Facts”

“Ok, maybe legalizing drugs might be safer with some government oversight. Then again the FDA has had their share of big mistakes which ended up hurting the public.

Unfortunately for the addicts, the price will be much higher than the kitchen made stuff once the pharmaceutical companies get their grubby little fingers on the profits. When that happens, addicts will go back to the unsafe kitchen stuff because that will be all they can afford.

Legalization is not the answer, IMO. Alaska's experience with decriminalizing pot and then switching back twenty years later is a perfect example of why this won't work. More users = more problems.
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“Should the government be giving oversight on an activity that many people think is immoral?

prostitution?

assisted suicides?

gambling?

I know it happens, but is it right? Is that what our government should be doing? Actually helping people do things that many deem immoral?

Shouldn't the government simply make sure people aren't hurting themselves and one another?”

“Use the China method for chewing tobacco.”

“To take your point further sarge, what if people want to hurt themselves? Isn't that their right? What if two people are in an S & M relationship and enjoy hurting each other? Are one person's morals more important than another's? Drug use, and I include alcohol and tobacco, is such a difficult activity to legislate. The very nature of drugs make it almost impossible to control. Take away alcohol, people make their own or try to find something else to drink to get high. Russian soldiers used to filter brake fluid through bread and drink it for a cheap high. If someone is willing to do that how do you stop it? In many countries the penalties for drug use are so severe that people are deathly afraid to do it. Canings, beatings, stonings, prisons that are absolutely hell on earth await drug users and traffickers in foreign countries. Until the punishments outweigh the actions no one will follow the laws.”

“We've had the ability to completely eradicate cancer for many decades, but it also kills the patient. �

When the cure is worse than the disease, it's time to reconsider.”

“Unfortunately for the addicts, the price will be much higher than the kitchen made stuff once the pharmaceutical companies get their grubby little fingers on the profits. When that happens, addicts will go back to the unsafe kitchen stuff because that will be all they can afford.

But with legalized drugs the prices would be so much cheaper and people wouldn't have to cook their own junk. Competition in the market would see to that as long as the government didn't get too carried away with taxing it. They also wouldn't have to break into our houses and steal from us to afford the drugs. And if a user does get in trouble with addiction and they want help the rehab would be there for them from the taxes they paid on their product.”

“Nigal, your comment, "as long as the gov't didn't get too carried away with taxing it", made me laugh. What HASN'T the gov't gotten too carried away with taxing lately??”

“Hey squirrelbait! Come on man. Give Uncle Sammy the benefit of the doubt. Why you be hate'n?”

“I understand your points, but have you seen the regualr full price of narcotic prescription drugs lately? How many seriously meth addicted people hold down jobs and have health insurance? (I am not talking about the casual user of pot here). Without health insurance and prescription drug coverage, the price of narcotics and other drugs are very high. Legalizing meth won't keep the price down any more than legal pain killers has kept down price of those drugs.

The drugs companies will be sure to make as much money as possible, and that alone will keep the prices high.
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“legalized drugs would not be the same as pharmaceutical drugs. They wouldn't be prescribed so the costs would not be jacked up for insurance companies nor is there a back door cost that prescribed drug companies charge for R&D.

It'd be more like distilleries and tobacco companies.”

“I gave 'em up a good while ago, but I hear the gov't has gone nuts with 'sin taxes' on cigarettes.

There was an interesting show on the History Channel last week about moonshiners. � Funny how right after we got rid of King George and his taxes, our own gov't began taxing whiskey and All Hell broke loose: � The Whiskey Rebellion.”

“I be hatin' cause for the next four years our taxes will probably skyrocket with nothing to show for it.”

“Maybe that's the point creek dancer, if you legalize drugs the druggies will get jobs with benefits to pay for their addictions. Of course if they get jobs they will be protected under the ADA and can't be fired because of their drug use. They will be able to come in late, miss quotas and never meet their objectives and still hold their jobs. I guess it will be like any other union job. Companies won't have to pay the high cost of drug testing each employee since drugs are now legal. I am sure they will pass that savings on to the employees.”

“Hey Tilt, don't be dissin' moonshiners! At least they gave us NASCAR!”

“You guys can't talk about this unless you're a meth addict. It's a meth addict's right to choose.”

“That's a very interesting idea Nigal! So what's cheaper these days - moonshine or an equivalent spirit manufactured in a "legal" distillary? Anybody know?”

“I made moonshine when I was a kid. It cost us about 15 dollars for 3-5 gallons of moonshine. Very high quality moonshine I might add. I still have the first bottle, it's over 20 years old now.”

“Well I know Shine in comparison to Meth has a smaller Percentage of users.”