Chavez in Deploying Troops to Colombia B order

“Never kill an evil dictator's gay lover.”

“Maybe we should send a boy scout troop down there and fix this little problem.”

“yes good idea, how about the muslim troop from idaho,”

“Oh boy another war- Guess we should call Russia since this is in our back yard.hehe
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Of course you know this means WAR !!!”

“Marko, beware the Pied Piper of dixie

is up to his old rodent tricksies.”

“Don't you mean pie-eyed piper?”

“Sale...drop off the drugs a minute that twern't me.

LOL Yeah Venezuelan Army VS Columbian Army....like the French fighting the French. Lots of unfired guns being dropped.”

“LOL- after I glue my ribs back together -yes Geo.
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“Suck a knob, Xslacker you fascist pig!

Sale Bo, what do you think, is he smokin' crack or crank?
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“Thank you very much Spongeman.”

“A countries troops should not be going across borders of their neighbor's without cooperation or permission from that country.”

“unless said country is in our way.”

“If the real Xsell would stand still long enough for a closer look, I would burn all of my Trolls on the Border comic books.
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“Except in the case of Mexico, oh wait, the criminal aliens aren't really troops of a standing military, therefore they can be shot as spies!!!”

““Except in the case of Mexico, oh wait, the criminal aliens aren't really troops of a standing military, therefore they can be shot as spies!!!”

Mexican troops have been coming across the border to snatch Americans for some time now. No one wants to talk about it though.

Link”

“The Iran-Iraq and Pakistan- Afghanistan are far more important than Texan's On Gunpowder for Jebus.”

“Files in the computer seized in Saturday's raid into Ecuador that claimed the lives of Reyes and 23 of his comrades offer an intimate portrait of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez's desire to undermine Colombia's U.S.-allied government”

“�A countries troops should not be going across borders of their neighbor's without cooperation or permission from that country.�
Nigal
10:45:12 AM
3/03/08

Above is your reason for the cross border raid.”

“Well you know if it was a LIBBIE country they would be all for the "supportive incursion" but in this case the rules change to protect the Socialists.”

“After Afghanistan being made into a heroin farm and Iraq a bomb factory, I'd be more than worried about the US having anything to do with my neighbor. Oh, that's not very patriotic, but true and an indication of how way more peole than I feel.

Our countries actions are looking more and more like those of some junkies I've know in the past , so totally hooked that nothing makes sense any more.

Anyone know where I can score some oil??
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“Maybe Hugo The Horrible can cop some for ya.”

“LOL..sale, wrong world....”

“salebored - so, you're against drugs in Afghanistan, but you're for them in America??? wtf?”

“The Hugo lovers sure have their panties in a wad.”

“I am just waiting for Chavez to blame his deployment of his troops for something that didn't happen in his country on something that he imagines the US did to him.

This nutcase is just a tad bit paranoid.
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“I'm for them being legal, but they are not legal. Yet, they want to spend billions on stopping them while they at the same time chased the people against the growth out, so Telbanii heroinii and marihuanii are every where. What space do we occupy in Heroinistan three square miles around the bank or is there more to the poppy saga?”

“Chavez's support of and protection of FARC is pretty provocative. If the following info proves to be true or is widely believed, things could heat up:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080305/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/colombia_farc_laptop”

“ABC News has a bit more on that FARC document that had a reference to "gringos" who were certain that Obama would be the next president, and that he would end U.S. aid to the Colombian government called "Plan Columbia."

References to U.S. diplomatic overtures are scintillating, if vague.

In a Dec. 11 message to the secretariat, Marquez writes: "If you are in agreement, I can receive Jim and Tucker to hear the proposal of the gringos."

The same message says an Italian referred to only as Consolo has told Marquez "the European Parliament wants to get involved in the prisoner exchange."

Writing two days before his death, Reyes tells his secretariat comrades that "the gringos," working through Ecuador's government, are interested "in talking to us on various issues."

"They say the new president of their country will be (Barack) Obama," noting that Obama rejects both the Bush administration's free trade agreement with Colombia and the current military aid program.

Reyes said the response he relayed is that the United States would have to publicly express that desire.

After wondering if I was nuts (or more than usual), or perhaps taking a document translation too seriously, the story is starting to get some attention around the blogosphere - John at Powerline, LGF, the editors of Foreign Policy magazine, Gateway Pundit, Jawa Report.


John wants some reporter to ask Obama, "whether his staff has been engaging in diplomatic outreach to a Communist group bent on overthrowing a U.S. ally."”

“Narco-rebels say Venezuela aiding them, more help coming from Democrat president.

WASHINGTON � A laptop computer captured in the possession of a slain Colombian revolutionary provides tangible evidence Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez is aiding the narco-rebels and that they see more help coming next year if Barack Obama becomes president.

The laptop was seized Saturday after a raid by Colombian government forces on commandos of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC. Some 23 rebels were killed in the raid, including Raul Reyes, their leader. The files on the computer provide details and context to what the Colombian government claims is Chavez's effort to subvert the U.S. ally.

Venezuela says the documents are lies. Obama's campaign has not commented on the allusions to a relationship between the Democratic presidential candidate and the Chavez-backed, drug lords of FARC.

The files reveal correspondence between the most prominent members and leaders of FARC:

Reyes, the FARC's foreign minister and public face; Manuel Marulanda, the rebels' 77-year-old supreme leader; Jorge Briceno, their much-feared field marshal; Ivan Marquez, the insurgents' apparent go-between with Chavez. Marquez is believed to live in Venezuela. Copies of 13 documents were sent to reporters yesterday by Colombia's national police chief, Gen. Oscar Naranjo. They suggest Chavez, seeking to raise the FARC's stature, is conspiring with Venezuela to topple Colombia's president, Alvaro Uribe.





In one note, Briceno discusses a desire to undermine Uribe by making him cede a safe haven to the rebels for talks on a prisoner swap.

"Uribe will become more isolated, together with his boss from the North," a clear reference to President Bush, whose government provides Colombia with some $600 million a year in military aid.

Writing two days before his death, Reyes tells his secretariat comrades that "the gringos," working through Ecuador's government, are interested "in talking to us on various issues."

"They say the new president of their country will be (Barack) Obama," noting that Obama rejects both the Bush administration's free trade agreement with Colombia and the current military aid program.

Reyes said the response he relayed is that the U.S. would have to publicly express that desire.

Another message, to Reyes from a lower-ranking commander and dated Feb. 16, includes mention of a possible purchase of 50 kilos � 110 pounds � of uranium.

Uribe's government has claimed that means the FARC was seeking to build a dirty bomb. But the message discusses a different motive: selling the uranium at a profit.”

“Hugo ain't gonna do it...tin horn rattling sabers....”

“Authenticated Documents Put Pressure On Venezuela's Chavez to Explain Damning FARC Ties
Friday , May 16, 2008

BOGOTA, Colombia �

The onus is now on Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez to explain evidence of his apparently intimate ties to Colombia's main guerrilla army.

Interpol on Thursday endorsed the authenticity of computer files seized in a rebel camp, announcing that Colombia did not tamper with documents indicating Chavez sought to finance and arm the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC.

Venezuelan officials set up contacts with Australian arms dealers and arranged for missile training in the Middle East, according to the documents, which were on computer hard drives seized by Colombia and obtained by the Washington Post.

Yet Chavez responded sarcastically to Interpol's conclusions.

"Do you think we should waste time here on something so ridiculous?" he told reporters in Caracas.

Chavez has denied providing the FARC material support, but did not address the issue directly on Thursday. Instead, he called Interpol's secretary general, Ronald Noble, "a tremendous actor," "Mr. Ignoble" and an "immoral police officer who applauds killers."

Noble was unequivocal when asked about the authenticity of the computer files, though he made pains to explain that the 186-nation international police agency did not and would not evaluate their content.

More revelations are bound to emerge, as Interpol also turned over to Colombia 983 files it decrypted in a process Noble said took 10 computers two full weeks.

Colombian commandos recovered the three Toshiba Satellite laptop computers, two external hard drives and three USB memory sticks in a March 1 cross-border raid into Ecuador that killed FARC foreign minister Raul Reyes and 24 others.

Chavez says no computer could have survived the bombardment, but Interpol showed photographs in the report and video on its Web site of metal cases that protected the computers from Colombian bombs.

The 39-page Interpol study was done at the request of Colombia, and Noble said Colombia alone must decide whether to make the contents of the computers public. Colombian officials have balked at revealing the entire contents, citing legal reasons and saying some documents could embarrass friendly nations.

Noble said he tried to get Chavez and Ecuadorean President Rafael Correa, whom the documents also link to the FARC, to work with Interpol in its investigation, but neither responded.

"I've done everything in my power to invite Venezuela and Ecuador to participate," said Noble, a former U.S. Treasury enforcement chief.

Colombia has been leaking details from the documents since the day after the raid. The most damning evidence against Chavez was revealed to The Associated Press last week.

More than a dozen rebel messages detail close cooperation with Venezuela, including rebel training facilities on Venezuelan soil and a meeting inside Venezuela's equivalent of the Pentagon.

They suggest Venezuela wanted to loan the rebels $250 million and help them get Russian weapons and possibly even surface-to-air missiles.

Chavez says his only purpose is to ward off a U.S. invasion � not to supply the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC.

"We aren't going to attack anybody. But I always say it: Nobody should make a mistake with us," Chavez told soldiers celebrating the anniversary of his return to power after a brief 2002 coup. "Our fatherland is permanently threatened by imperialism."

But military analysts say it is Colombia that should fear the 100,000 Russian-made assault rifles, 5,000 Dragunov sniper rifles and surface-to-air missiles Venezuela is amassing.

"These are just the sorts of weapons that the FARC would find interesting since these are the standard tools of guerrilla warfare," said John Pike, a military analyst at GlobalSecurity.org.

U.S. military officials say the weapons proliferation far outweighs any threat Chavez faces in the region.

"We are seriously worried about this great quantity of acquisitions," U.S. Lt. Gen. Glenn Spears said recently.

Chavez's military spending spree isn't on the agenda Friday at a summit of Latin American and European leaders in Lima, Peru, which is supposed to focus on food prices, climate change and poverty. But with Chavez and Colombia President Alvaro Uribe both attending, it is likely to come up.

Uribe only said he is satisfied with the Interpol report.

"Terrorism doesn't have borders or ethics," he said upon arriving in Lima Thursday for the summit.

Chavez, who has denied funding or arming the rebels, called Interpol's report "ridiculous." The documents suggest Venezuela was preparing to loan the rebels $250 million and help them get Russian weapons and possibly even missiles for use against Colombian military aircraft.

The nonpartisan Council on Foreign Relations on Wednesday urged the U.S. not to act unilaterally on the Interpol findings. But it also noted that Chavez's international arms purchases � which have increased from $71 million between 2002 and 2004 to $4 billion between 2005 and 2007 � "should be watched."

Many South American countries are modernizing armed forces that languished under the civilian rule that followed the military dictatorships of the 1970s and 1980s. Of these, Brazil is the biggest spender.

But per-capita comparisons by the London-based International Institute for Strategic Studies show Venezuela's defense budget of $2.6 billion is second only to Chile, which built up a large defense industry during the 1973-90 military regime of Gen. Augusto Pinochet.

Russia and China have quickly become Venezuela's main suppliers of military hardware.

Chavez said this week he plans to talk with Russia's president during an upcoming visit to Moscow about buying "long-range, anti-aircraft missile systems" and "tank battalions."

Venezuela plans to install a radar system with help from China and has begun negotiating the purchase of Chinese-made, K-8 military planes, which are mainly for training. But they can be used for combat and surveillance, Venezuelan Defense Minister Gen. Gustavo Rangel Briceno said Thursday as he handed out new Russian-made, AK-103 Kalashnikov assault rifles to National Guard troops.

"The best formula against the war is being well prepared for it," Chavez told soldiers this week, prompting rousing applause. "We will continue equipping the armed forces and now more quickly than before."

Chavez has bragged about proposals to build a Venezuelan rocket.

Many documents retrieved from the rebel computers discuss Venezuelan efforts to help the FARC obtain weapons, including rockets.

In March 2007, a rebel commander known as Timochenko wrote that "intelligence officials from our neighboring navy" say it's very difficult to obtain "rockets," but that "they're disposed to help us get all the parts to build them."

In a January 2007 note, Ivan Marquez, the rebel's main go-between with the Chavez government, mentions "the possibility of taking advantage of Venezuela's purchase of arms from Russia to include some containers destined for the FARC."

Another message from Marquez, dated Aug. 20, 2006, describes a visit to an anti-aircraft missile factory in China by a Venezuelan official who is said to have returned with a catalog for the FARC.

The FARC, which finances its military operations with drug-trafficking and kidnapping ransoms, is considered a terrorist group by the United States and the European Union.”