Obama Lies

“Marko's over there in a Latta it.”

“He's hanging out with the rest of the groovey people.”

“That is where he belongs.”

“Birch - he's a political superstar in the same way that Clinton and Reagan were superstars.

Except that Reagan and Clinton were experienced Governors with actual accomplishments. Obama won his senate seat against alan keyes for goodness sake, not like it took any effort. Sure he has charisma and charm, but ZERO experience. Again please cite his accomplishments that warrant his status. I hope that the electorate isnt dazzled by this "magic" as you call it. I hope that in light of our current situation they vote for someone with the experience and knowledge and realism to bring our nation a better future. Not magic. I'd be embarassed to have obama as my commander in chief.”

“I think he's doing a great job exposing the real american politic, but president, I'll pass.”

“How much charm do you have to have, before calling a grown woman, "Sweetie" is not chauvinistic and sexist?

Why to feminists toss out their values when it comes to politics?”

“I'm not saying you should vote for him because he's a superstar, I'm saying I think the majority of the people are likely to vote for him because he's a superstar.

We call 'em empty suits where I come from.

DULP!”

““How much charm do you have to have, before calling a grown woman, "Sweetie" is not chauvinistic and sexist?

Why to feminists toss out their values when it comes to politics?”

And did the democrats ever tell Jessy Jackson to drop out of the race when he had no shot? No. Why Hill then?”

“Barack Obama's reaction to Heller :

"I have always believed that the Second Amendment protects the right of individuals to bear arms"

As his history shows the complete opposite to be true, this is the latest blatant lie from his silver tongued mouth.”

“Only silly libbies lie”

“yet again mutt puts on public display his fundamental lack of comprehension of the english language.

the Second Amendment DOES protect the right of individuals to bear arms. all obama is saying is that he has accepted the Second Amendment for what it is. he didn't say whether he supports it or doesn't support it. he only said that he has "always believed that the Second Amendment protects the right of individuals to bear arms." one could be for or against gun control and still make this statement. you don't have to agree with the Second Amendment to acknowledge what it says.

...talk about twisting words!”

“As a local Chicago politian he voted many times to limit 2nd amendment rights. But he believes in them. I don't think he has ever voted for the right of citizens to own guns.”

“Okay Jimmy, that's quite the spin, but if the previous quote wasn't a lie, then this surely is: As president, I will uphold the constitutional rights of law-abiding gun-owners, hunters, and sportsmen.

If he doesn't agree with the second amendment and is as principled as you speciously claim, then he surely won't be active in upholding the 2A; in fact, based on his history, he will actively fight against it.

What a weasel. (not you jimmysan, you're my hero).”

“good lord, mutt...

As president, I will uphold the constitutional rights of law-abiding gun-owners, hunters, and sportsmen.

this is a SPECULATIVE STATEMENT. it's what he says he WILL DO if he is elected president. it can't be a lie unless he is elected president and acts contrary to this statement.”

“Good lord yourself. Where do you come up with this stuff? It's a lie if he intends to do the exact opposite of what he says. I don't need to underline it, because it's the simple truth. All of his political history has shown him to be on the "lunatic fringe" of gun control, and now he's lying about it. That's the simplest explanation. Occams Razor. You, on the other hand, are working hard at dancing around semantics trying (and failing) to make your point.”

“now mutt is saying he has ESP and can read the intent of a man he has never met.”

“Aaaaaand you're done.”

“This gives an indication of how all the little piggies will be squeeling when he's elected doesn't it.”

“yes it does.”

““This gives an indication of how all the little piggies will be squeeling when he's elected doesn't it.”

Says the guy who's been down in the mud for the last 7 years. LOL! Seriously man, how can you say he supports the 2nd when he has such a contrary record on gun control?

I see this same wild look in people's eyes when they try and convince me Jesus was perfect and the Truth, the Way and the Life.”

“well, rather than listen to mutt's feeble ranting let's look at obama's voting record:

SA4615 Prohibition On Confiscation Of Firearms Vote for gun owners (This law prevents any part of the Department of Homeland Security budget from being used to confiscate guns. This would include allocations to state and local law enforcement.)

S.397 Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act Vote against gun manufacturers twice.

SA1615 Cop Killer Bullet Ban Vote against gun owners.

SA1620 S.397 Exemption for Children Vote against gun manufacturers.

SA1623 Gross Negligence Amendment Vote against gun manufacturers.

SA1626 Child Safety Lock Act of 2005 (This bill is a trigger lock law. It requires that a trigger lock be provided with every handgun transfer. This law does not apply to private firearm sales. The law also provides for immunity from liability for those that use "secure gun storage or safety device with the handgun". ) Vote against gun owners (in the traditional gun lobby sense).

SA1644 Update to SA1620 Vote against gun manufacturers.

SA1645 Update to SA1615 Neutral vote.

i can see how the gun lobby could get pissy over this voting record but looking at it closely he voted in support of gun owners in SA4615, voted for a ban on cop killer bullets, voted for mandatory child safety locks on handguns, and the rest were votes against the gun manufacturers and not gun owners. this is the voting record of a man that would do EXACTLY what he just said... uphold the second amendment but also seek "common sense" gun control measures. his vote on SA4615 (which prevents any part of the Department of Homeland Security budget from being used to confiscate guns) is proof of this.

which of these votes did you have a problem with?

this is a REASON TO VOTE FOR OBAMA... common-sense gun control that still protects the Second Amendment rights guaranteed in the constitution.
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“IN other words, if a law would further restrict and individuals right to own a gun, Obama voted for it. He has in fact stated, when running for office in Illinois, that there was no reason for an individual to own a gun. Course that won't do if he wants non-liberals to vote for him so now he must change.

Yep, good reason to vote for him.

And just thinking about the judges he would appoint is scary.
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“Gun control isn't even a major issue. There's a lot bigger stuff than that simmerin' in the pot.”

“Any issue that he would use to weaken the constitution is a major issue.”

“�Any issue that he would use to weaken the constitution is a major issue.�
NoProb
4:02:37 PM
6/26/08

any issue... like the patriot act. welcome to the world of george w bush.”

“More on Obama's record:

-In April 2008 he stated it was OK for states and cities to determine local gun laws.

-He supported the Illinois ban on hand guns.

-In February of 2008 he stated his support for the 2nd but local bans were OK.

-In 200 he co sponsored a bill limiting purchases to one gun per month.

-In August of 2007 he stated concealed carry was OK for retired police and military only.

-October of 2004 he said Bush erred in failing to renew the assault weapons ban.

-He is for the ban of semi automatic weapons and more possession restrictions.”

“One concrete measure of The Bush Legacy presently stands at 4103 and continues to rise.

http://icasualties.org/oif/”

“How many well regulated militias use handguns?”

““How many well regulated militias use handguns?”

How naive can ya be. Ya have to have handguns in combat. No one is going to be so unsafe or wasteful as to use a combat long arm for battlefield executions.”

““One concrete measure of The Bush Legacy presently stands at 4103 and continues to rise.

http://icasualties.org/oif/”
tiltTiltBLAM
5:51:27 PM

Tilt,

One casualty is too many.
After 8 years what was the casualty number for Vietnam after JF. Kennedy and LB. Johnson? I think it was Republican Nixon who withdrew.

After 4 years what was the casualty number for WWII after FD. Roosevelt placed an embargo on Japanese oil imports.

Not saying here that either JFK or FDR were wrong, they made tough calls, and that cost lives.

Now IF (and both sides of the House thought this reasonable) Saddam had one nuke that could be trucked into the Saudi oilfields as a hostage, what would be the effect on the US? This threat was at least as great to the US as posed by Vietnam, or even Japan in Manchuria.

Bush made the right call, not happy about how he handled it, but no-one can beat an armchair quarterback.

The casualties are only a little above what occurred in a single day after 8 years of Clinton neglect.
There has not been one terrorist attack in the US in the subsequent 8 years of Bush. Pretty good going if you ask me.

BTW I have not included the The USS Cole, or the first WTC bombing under the Clinton watch. Oklahoma also occurred under Clinton, with a Gulf war vet going nuts over the Waco use of tanks against unconvicted (though very flaky) citizens. For all we know the Waco accusations may have been just as valid as the recent Zion ranch fiasco, except of course everyone was killed.

Now if you want to compare the 4,103 Iraq/Afghanistan casualties to the (45,000/year * 8 years) 360,000 road deaths in the US during the same period perhaps we should declare war against the Automobile.
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“thanks for pointing that out, nigal. like i said, common sense gun control laws without violating our second amendment rights.”

“Myself and many others maintain a moderate heroine addiction, but many want to outlaw guns, I'm not the least productive person you will have known.
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“common sense gun control laws without violating our second amendment rights.

It's all about perspective and my perspective is that "shall not be infringed" does not mean "everything but an outright ban is OK. When it comes to the Constitution I would much rather error on the side of freedom. One man's common sense is another man's fascism.”

“One concrete measure of The Bush Legacy presently stands at 4103 and continues to rise.

http://icasualties.org/oif/�
tiltTiltBLAM
8:51:27 PM
6/26/08
ignore this user


LOL....Tilt is gonna throw out his GWB diversion posts (like rosey) on every thread for years to come, isn't he?


�How many well regulated militias use handguns?�
VioLiN
9:06:39 PM
6/26/08

Wow! Are you serious? Dude, they've been used that way since they were invented.”

“this is a great example of why canada will never be assimilated.
a constitutional right to own a handgun??? wtf??

how about a constitutional right to healthcare and affordable education?”

“Healthcare and education is not a constitutional right.

We do not succeed and prosper because of our government. We succeed and prosper in SPITE of our government.
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“like i said, common sense gun control laws without violating our second amendment rights. - yogisan

LOL - you're getting more and more frenetic with your dance around the truth. Just to take one of the items you posted: "Cop Killer Bullets" - if you weren't completely ignorant of firearms you would've realized raising this as a point of "common sense gun control" is absolutely ridiculous. Like many of the other attacks on the 2A Barak supported, it is just another ploy - with no basis in reality - to wither away 2A rights. But it sounds good, so to people like you, that is reification enough. But, since it is only an empty feel-good measure, it's causing you to have to stretch and spin and dance to try to show Barak in a positive 2A light. (Meanwhile, his record and his verbal contradictions do the talking for us). And as Nigal pointed out, you're not being exactly candid about the full picture, either. That's pretty much the definition of "feeble ranting". LOL. You lost on the racial double standards argument, and now you're losing this one even harder.”

“Geez Hel, that would be "communist".

Somehow "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" and "insure the domestic tranquility" must be accomplished with ignorance, social injustice and packin' heat.

Progress is not an option. In fact, we Americans would like to turn back the clock whenever and however possible.”

“I prefer to see the constitution as not a guarantee that the government wiil provide the rights found therein but that the government won't interfere with our pursuing the
e rights.”

“I pretty much feel the same way about the Constitution, Nigel.

Many of our people do not succeed and prosper in large part because of poor education and poor health care.
Constitution aside, providing or guaranteeing decent health and education is really a practical matter that we either pay for up front or pay to fix the social consequences eventually.

Some of our corporate entities succeed, at least temporarily, with help from the government while those citizens with little to no political power are on their own to sink or swim.

Is corporate welfare guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution?
Perhaps it is accomplished by means of bribery and graft.

Schit walks and money talks.
How you gonna keep 'em down on the farm?
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“How many well regulated militias use handguns? - violin

LOL - someone else is bitter about Heller, too.

This is also another good (and laughable) example of anti-2A folks being ignorant of firearms.”

“There is another good example of gun-lovers who are ignorant of the desire for practical gun-control and see it, or simply label it, as anti-second amendment or "enemy of freedom".

The firearms industry loves you guys.”

“Sure ---- Scalia, Scalito, Uncle Thomas et al are such Constitutional Originalists.... � when it suits them.

It's like the suckers who are always bltching about how great and wonderful the concept of State's Rights is.... � until a referendum passes that they don't agree with.”

“He vote for SA4615 that prevents any part of the Department of Homeland Security budget from being used to confiscate guns. This would include allocations to state and local law enforcement.

To me this sounds pretty much in support of the Second Amendment Rights of Americans.

I have always believed that the Second Amendment protects the right of individuals to bear arms

He understands that the Second Amendment protects the rights of individuals to bear arms.

As president, I will uphold the constitutional rights of law-abiding gun-owners, hunters, and sportsmen.

He has pledged that if elected he will uphold your Second Amendment Rights.

Neither of these statements are lies.”

“The fringe righties are spinning just about anything he says and they are just clearing their throats before the real bellowing gets under way.”

“Unifried States of America? Would someone close that back door, I feel a draft.
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“There is an alternative to national bankruptcy, a bigger police state, trillion-dollar wars, and a government that draws ever more parasitically on the productive energies of the american people. It's called freedom. But as we've learned through hard experience,we are not going to hear a word in its favor if our political and media establishments have anything to say about it. Ron Paul, a Manifesto - The Revolution”

“Obama said last night that he got an A in his US Economics class his senior year in high school. I just called the school and they told me he got an A-

Lied again.”

“Obama lies down to take a nap.”

“As president, I will uphold the constitutional rights of law-abiding gun-owners, hunters, and sportsmen. - Obama

LIAR!

Obama voted in favor of banning almost all ammunition commonly used in sporting and hunting rifles: United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 217, Kennedy amendment July 2, 2005.”