Georgia on my mind

“And still you offer NOTHING Sarge - you never do - just personal attacks on others - not sure why I expect things to change. You're a one-trick pony. Why you even bother joining adult conversations I don't know - you don't seem capable of understanding them.

The reality is that there's little than can prepare anyone for the Presidency. Electing a man with years of experience if he is just going to continue following the same failed policies is pointless.

And I'm not entirely sure how you can relaistically portray a man with Obama's intelligence and background as being some sort of idiot with regard to what goes on overseas.

As has been proven in the past eight years its that the American conservative movement has little ability to understand how the rest of the world works. Obama would offer a positive change to this.

But then when you have a 72-year-old running for President then you have to put the stress on experience.”

“Nigal: Georgia is an ally, Russia is at best a competitor.

I definitely agree there are limits on what would be reasonable for the US to try to do. I can't say that I have the answer, either.”

“The pipeline's roll is overplayed I think. The states on the Caspian are already under Russian influence.”

“But then when you have a 72-year-old running for President then you have to put the stress on experience - y2

lol - like I said, the dems will resort to attacking McCain to cover for Barack's incompetence.”

“How is he incompetant on foreign policy Mutt? Lets hear some examples - real ones mind.”

“And to be honest watching McCain go so negative in his campaigning so far out from the election after claiming he wanted a clean campaign doesn't say much for the man.”

“The real question here is not what can American do, as it's not much, but whether it even wants do.

The relationship with Russia in terms of the other foreign policy goals is more important to the US than is Georgia. Putin has made a calculation on this and is acting accordingly.

He's right too and has completely outfoxed the US.

The picture of him watching the Olympics a couple of seats away from Bush while the tanks rolled into America's ally in the region said it all.”

“y2, you look like this guy ...

http://bp3.blogger.com/_LbccUVbSRd8/SCDB5eV8DwI/AAAAAAAAB9E/whr9iA1Qbck/s400/Fat+Macacca+1.jpg

(go ahead, deny it!)”

“MS Insult Generator moved from England to Washington D.C.. Then fled to hiking wondeland Maine, then to hot hot hikeless Auston, TX.

Auston, TX is a Sanctuary City for illegal immigrants/aliens.

"In 2007, Republican Congresspersons introduced legislation targeting sanctuary cities.[9] Reps. Brian Bilbray, R-Cal., Ginny Brown-Waite, R-Fla., Thelma Drake, R-Va., Jeff Miller, R-Fla., and Tom Tancredo, R-Colo introduced the bill. The legislation would make undocumented immigrant status a felony, instead of a civil offense. Also, the bill targets sanctuary cities by withholding up to 50 percent of Department of Homeland Security funds from the cities."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctuary_city

The reason he moves around, hates America, and Republicans in particular?

The ultra liberal Seattle, the home of thebackpacker.com, is a Sanctuary City, also, maybe his next move?
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“on a non-fuego point, i do find the whole olympics thing interesting...you know they had their advisors whispering in their ears the whole time they were sitting close to each other...talk about your white elephant
last edited: 8/11/08 11:23:22 AM”

“You're about as funny as a dose of gonorhea Sarge.

How will I ever escape the humiliation you heap on me with your acerbic wit.”

“thirfty - apperently the Australian PM, Bob Rudd is it? said they were basically having an argument over the whole thing. He was sitting a couple of rows back listening.”

““MS Insult Generator moved from England to Washington D.C.. Then fled to hiking wonderand Maine, then to hot hot hikeless Auston, TX.

Auston, TX is a Sanctuary City for illegal immigrants/aliens.

"In 2007, Republican Congresspersons introduced legislation targeting sanctuary cities.[9] Reps. Brian Bilbray, R-Cal., Ginny Brown-Waite, R-Fla., Thelma Drake, R-Va., Jeff Miller, R-Fla., and Tom Tancredo, R-Colo introduced the bill. The legislation would make undocumented immigrant status a felony, instead of a civil offense. Also, the bill targets sanctuary cities by withholding up to 50 percent of Department of Homeland Security funds from the cities."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctuary_city

The reason he moves around, hates America, and Republicans in particular?

The ultra liberal Seattle, the home of thebackpacker.com, is a Sanctuary City, also, maybe his next move?
last edited: 8/11/08 11:22:42 AM”
tatt1e ta1e
11:15:28 AM
8/11/08

Seems I have a stalker!”

“The pipeline's roll is overplayed I think. - Y2

LOL

He's right too and has completely outfoxed the US. - Y2

No, it's too early to get a clear picture, but it appears Georgia miscalculated. The US *is* engaged in other areas of the world. Like I've said before, when a superpower is distracted, regional powers will flex. It's not so much a matter of "outfoxing" the US as it is Georgia doing something stupid without shutting down a vital geographic linkage first (the Roki tunnel), and expecting the US to enter into WWIII. It's not exactly surprising that Russia can push over a weakling in its Near Abroad. And we're supposed to be over-awed by that? It would be like us taking months to build up forces around Cuba, invading, and then claiming we "outfoxed" Russia.”

“Well if the American President was sitting two seats away from the effective Russian leader while the troops were going in - then yes, we could say outfoxed.

I'm not I entirely buy into this blaming Georgia routine either. It gets everyone of the hook to do anything. Like I said earlier, and you meantioned in the last post, this has been coming for some time.

It's not really a huge blow for American interests, and reflects Russian annoyance at America's and Europe's bid to extend influnce in the region, but is certainly a #&%!$-you action.”

“His friend says so.”

“And I bet your dad is tougher than mine huh Sargie.....

Grow up little man.”

““unable to keep up with the conversation I see Sargie.”
Y2
10:32:15 AM

And yet you keep coming back.
Y2
10:54:15 AM

“So what you're saying is that you can't keep up then Sarge - so you come out with that line of BS?
Come on man, try to frame your thoughts into an decent argument, for once in your life.”
Y2
11:18:26 AM

“just shows how much you just don't get it - even try to get it - though this isn't surprising.
you're a bigger fool than I've given you credit for - which is really saying something.”
Y2
11:25:53 AM

“And still you offer NOTHING Sarge - you never do - just personal attacks on others - not sure why I expect things to change. You're a one-trick pony. Why you even bother joining adult conversations I don't know - you don't seem capable of understanding them.
Y2
1:03:17 PM

“You're about as funny as a dose of gonorhea Sarge.
How will I ever escape the humiliation you heap on me with your acerbic wit.”
Y2
1:21:03 PM

“And I bet your dad is tougher than mine huh Sargie.....
Grow up little man.”
Y2
1:57:20 PM

“#&%!$ me, it's like dealing with a pair or particulalry childish eight year olds. Are the two of you giggling while IMing each other about how funny you are?
Anyhow. Done with both you ladies for a while - go play with yourselves, though I have no doubt that that's your only option.”
Y2
2:01:01 PM




- just personal attacks on others - Y2
last edited: 8/11/08 12:03:41 PM”

“#&%!$ me, it's like dealing with a pair or particulalry childish eight year olds. Are the two of you giggling while IMing each other about how funny you are?

Anyhow. Done with both you ladies for a while - go play with yourselves, though I have no doubt that that's your only option.”

“I'm not I entirely buy into this blaming Georgia routine either. It gets everyone of the hook to do anything.

Who said Georgia deserves all the blame? Certainly the Russians have been setting this little scenario up for a long time. Claiming Ossetians are Russians and then invading to "protect Russian citizens" is a rough analog of Nazi Germany and Poland. You can see them trying to set up Ukarine now too. However, Ukraine won't be the cakewalk that Georgia was.

It may very well be that the situation was lose-lose for Georgia anyway. Surely they were warned of Russia's buildup from US intel. Surely they knew the strategic importance of the tunnel. Surely they knew the US is distracted. They attacked anyway. Why? There's a lot left to understand in all of this before any grand proclamations of "omfg bush got pwned" can be made.

It's not really a huge blow for American interests, and reflects Russian annoyance at America's and Europe's bid to extend influnce in the region, but is certainly a #&%!$-you action. - Y2

Yes, yes it is.”

“What, I thought you lived in DC, y2.”

“Moved about 18 months ago Mutt. Though I'm now wary of giving stalkers my location.”

“President to address nation at 4:15 CST.

I assume he's going to be saying we're sending an aircraft carrier battle group to the region and going to war.


Well, either that, or it's going to be the Stamp of Disapproval that bacpac spoke of.”

“wow - that is disturbing - the timing of it as much as anything.”

“I was joking - if it was important, it would be during prime time.
last edited: 8/11/08 1:00:31 PM”

“Well that's a relief. That's what I meant about timing. If it's outside of prime time then it generally means something as actually happening.”

“Double post.
last edited: 8/11/08 1:06:06 PM”

“LOL -w ow, Barack looks like a mumbling, muttering fool when talking about Ossetia. McCain comes across much more presidential, not only in delivery but substance.”

“Mutt - the funny thing is that you interpret it this way. This just serves to say there's noy much in your stance here.

McCain is reading out a written prepared response, and constantly looking down at the script.

Obama is responding on the fly and choosing his words very very carefully, as he should.

If this is the sort of thing you're staking you opinion on you may want to think again.”

“McCain is reading out a written prepared response, and constantly looking down at the script.

Obama is responding on the fly and choosing his words very very carefully, as he should.

this just tells me that mcain researched it (or better yet, had it researched) and responded thoughtfully and intelligently with a complex response

obama just spoke out his @ss like most "good politicians"…more fancy talk with no substance”

“Obama is responding on the fly and choosing his words very very carefully, as he should. - Y2

Yeah, because it's obvious he doesn't know jack crap about it! Plus he looks rattled by the events - deer in the headlights. McCain may have been reading a script, but you can be damn sure he knows a lot about it and he comes across as being more than capable of taking crises like this head on. Barack looks like he's ready to crawl under his desk and suck his thumb - LOL.”

“you're gonna end up voting for Obama aren't you Mutt.”

“y2 thinks America's demise is cutsie.”

“Barack looks like he's ready to crawl under his desk and suck his thumb - LOL.”
Mutt

Next you'll be saying he was reading "My Pet Goat."”

“Some pretty unfair comparison's on McCain Obama.

Here is a more complete and comparable Obama statement:

Good morning. The situation in Georgia continues to deteriorate because of the escalation of Russia's use of military force. I have spoken to President Saakashvili, and conveyed my deep regret over the loss of life, and the suffering of the people of Georgia.

For many months, I have warned that there needs to be active international engagement to peacefully address the disputes over South Ossetia and Abkhazia, including a high-level and neutral international mediator, and a genuine international peacekeeping force - not simply Russian troops.

No matter how this conflict started, Russia has escalated it well beyond the dispute over South Ossetia and invaded another country. Russia has escalated its military campaign through strategic bombing and the movement of its ground forces into the heart of Georgia. There is no possible justification for these attacks.

I reiterate my call for Russia to stop its bombing campaign, to stop flights of Russian aircraft in Georgian airspace, and to withdraw its ground forces from Georgia. The Georgian government has proposed a cease-fire and the Russian government should accept it. There is also an urgent need for humanitarian assistance to reach the people of Georgia, and casualties on both sides.

The United States, Europe and all other concerned countries must stand united in condemning this aggression, and seeking a peaceful resolution to this crisis. We should continue to push for a United Nations Security Council Resolution calling for an immediate end to the violence. This is a clear violation of the sovereignty and internationally recognized borders of Georgia - the UN must stand up for the sovereignty of its members, and peace in the world.

I welcome the visit of the French and Finnish foreign ministers to Georgia as a first step toward mediation. There should also be a United Nations mediator to address this crisis, and the United States should fully support this effort. We should also convene other international forums to condemn this aggression, to call for an immediate halt to the violence, and to review multilateral and bilateral arrangements with Russia - including Russia's interest in joining the World Trade Organization.

The violence taking place along the Black Sea is just miles from Sochi, the site for the Winter Olympics in 2014. It only adds to the tragedy and outrage of the current situation that Russia has acted while the world has come together in peace and athletic competition in Beijing. This action is wholly inconsistent with the Olympic ideal.

While returning to a pre-August 8 military posture is a necessary first step to resolving this crisis, we cannot tolerate the unacceptable status quo that led to this escalation. That means Russian peacekeeping troops should be replaced by a genuine international peacekeeping force, Georgia should refrain from using force in South Ossetia and Abkhazia, and a political settlement must be reached that addresses the status of these disputed regions.

Going forward, the United States and Europe must support the people of Georgia. Beyond immediate humanitarian assistance, we must provide economic assistance, and help rebuild what has been destroyed. I have consistently called for deepening relations between Georgia and transatlantic institutions, including a Membership Action Plan for NATO, and we must continue to press for that deeper relationship.

The relationship between Russia and the West is long and complicated. There have been many turning points, for good and ill. This is another turning point.

Let me be clear: we seek a future of cooperative engagement with the Russian government, and friendship with the Russian people. We want Russia to play its rightful role as a great nation - but with that role comes the responsibility to act as a force for progress in this new century, not regression to the conflicts of the past. That is why the United States and the international community must speak out strongly against this aggression, and for peace and security.”

“that man does a TO to himsElf more than anybody I know.

A TO is a sales technique, it's short for turn-over. It's a psychological technique to sell you something based on the principal that people are more likely to believe something if it's confirmed by somebody else. ... "Our extended warranties are great deals." ... (2nd salesman walks by) ... "Did Mike tell you about our great deal on extended warranties?"

Except, Obama does it to himself ...

For many months, I have warned

I reiterate my call for

I have consistently called for

In one small statement, 3 times he attempts to gain validation of his statements by pointing out that he said them previously.

Watch for it, you'll notice it in most of his discussions. He even did it when discussing the surge in Iraq! LOL”

“Yeah... McCain seemed to really have the upper hand on this one. Well researched, reasoned.... senile?


“I would be very direct with (Russian) President (Vladimir) Putin that these actions will have consequences long term, in terms of our relationship with Russia, and it is in violation of the norms of international conduct,” he said in an interview with The Associated Press in Las Vegas, incorrectly calling Putin the Russian president. He has taken on the position of prime minister after the election of his personally chosen successor in the presidency, Dmitry Medvedev.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/10/presidential-candidates-condemn-russian-attacks-on-georgia/”

“Just when ya think a thread is at it's height of craziness Violin comes in and throws kooky gas on the crazy fire.”

“ooh, someone just twigged that an election campaign is about selling something.”

“Selling doesn't mean resorting to psychological tricks.

What famous leader in history relied on his master of psychological propaganda to achieve his goals?”

“Obama's right hand man is a master of manipulating public opinion for corporate gain.

What famous leader in history got his start doing that very same thing?”

“Lex Luther?”

“Clearly, the only thing that could bring this whole matter to an end is a stern letter of condemnation from the United Nations. The more stern, the better.”
Nonconformist
10:05:20 AM
8/11/08


The United States, Europe and all other concerned countries must stand united in condemning this aggression, and seeking a peaceful resolution to this crisis. We should continue to push for a United Nations Security Council Resolution calling for an immediate end to the violence. This is a clear violation of the sovereignty and internationally recognized borders of Georgia - the UN must stand up for the sovereignty of its members, and peace in the world.

~'Bama”

“I would be very direct with (Russian) President (Vladimir) Putin - violin

Gee who do you think holds the power in Russia, Guido?

Besides, both candidates have made plenty of verbal gaffes. Remember Barack saying he's visited 57 states so far? And you think this guy can point out Russia on a map?

The fact remains: McCain came across presidential, Obama came across as waaaay over his head.
last edited: 8/12/08 5:08:57 AM”

“This might just be pretty accurate. After all, the US can't have Russia flooding Iran with military goodies.

”

“The United States, Europe and all other concerned countries must stand united in condemning this aggression, and seeking a peaceful resolution to this crisis. We should continue to push for a United Nations Security Council Resolution calling for an immediate end to the violence. This is a clear violation of the sovereignty and internationally recognized borders of Georgia - the UN must stand up for the sovereignty of its members, and peace in the world.

~'Bama”
Nonconformist
5:03:46 AM
8/12/08


Easy there killer, don't be calling him Bama.

Roll Tide!”

“I have to because I think calling him Obama is racist now.”

“Call him ma for short instead.”

“Dwight was right?”