The adoration of the Obamessiah

“You mean the attempt to dig America out of the deep deep hole?

But there is some joint culpability. Politics long-since stopped representing the people and started representing the money.

Obama is actually showing signs that this could change.”

“you're joking with the obama comment, right?”

“Time will tell.

All the dire predictions are simple speculation.”

“LOL...Kinda like how the Pommy Brits are digging themselves out of a hole?

A few more years and Y2's Country will be a colony of India.”

“i wasn't really refering to the econmic predictions with my last comment, and i do agree, time will tell on them.

i was specifically asking about the "obama is actually showing signs that this could change" comment used in reference to the government representing money instead of people.

the only sign i've seen from obama on this was being held by his fans at campaign rallies prior to him being elected.
last edited: 4/09/09 6:25:41 AM”

“Why2 is Y2 so angry this morning anyway? He's finally getting his wish of seeing the king's 250 year plan for turning America back into a nanny state. You'd think he'd be a little more cheery-o.”

“Y2, what a wanker.”

“LMAO. Stewart NAILS it. Vid at bottom of page.

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Stewart_Fox_GOP_confuse_tyranny_with_0408.html”

“Obama is actually showing signs that this could change.

I LOL'd.”

“Quit spamming, roseypalms”

“LMAO. Stewart NAILS it. Vid at bottom of page.

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Stewart_Fox_GOP_confuse_tyranny_with_0408.html

LMAO. Stewart NAILS it. Vid at bottom of page.

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Stewart_Fox_GOP_confuse_tyranny_with_0408.html

LMAO. Stewart NAILS it. Vid at bottom of page.

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Stewart_Fox_GOP_confuse_tyranny_with_0408.html

LMAO. Stewart NAILS it. Vid at bottom of page.

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Stewart_Fox_GOP_confuse_tyranny_with_0408.html

LMAO. Stewart NAILS it. Vid at bottom of page.

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Stewart_Fox_GOP_confuse_tyranny_with_0408.html

LMAO. Stewart NAILS it. Vid at bottom of page.

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Stewart_Fox_GOP_confuse_tyranny_with_0408.html

LMAO. Stewart NAILS it. Vid at bottom of page.

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Stewart_Fox_GOP_confuse_tyranny_with_0408.html”

“har de har har”

“Ah, the fruit of losing is sooo bitter...”

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“Now back to our regularly scheduled back-biting/schlong length competition.”

“one question I have, and this is a serious question with no sarcasm intended... I really want to know.

This is a backpacking message board, meaning its members (most, at least) enjoy the outdoors. Would it be a stretch to say we're all something of naturalists?

For the conservatives and Bush-backers on here, how do you balance that out? Good or bad, I really think it'd be a stretch for the most right of the right-wings to say that Bush cared much or did much for the environment. He was all for drilling, mining, and development, not protection. The recent bill signed by Obama (I can't remember the name - sorry) protected more land in that one move than Bush did in his entire presidency.

How does that work, exactly? How do you justify that?”

“Oh pepsis, you will not get a straight answer from these bozos. This is a question asked time and again with no clear answer ever given. Sure, they "care" about the environment, but not enough to let direct them politically.”

“We are all far too busy making ad hominem attacks to actually address a topic.”

“There you guys go again, adoring Stalin and Marx.

My favorites were always Lennon and Harpo.

So, in the immortal words of Dicky Cheney................Go #&%!$ Yourself!”

“i'm not a bush-backer specifically, but am more conservative than liberal. pro-choice, pro-capitalism. agree with drilling and some mining, not mountain-top removal methods. probably fall into the deitist or agnostic category (haven't given this enough thought to say). can't deny evolution, can't say it all started without help.

i think global warming as a man induced catastrophe is a joke. i don't feel every wild place should be protected from any use. some should, many are, some should be protected from certain types of development. i think drilling off the coast would be great. having to hike around an oil well in the grand canyon would suck whereas hiking around one in the jefferson national forest wouldn't bother me as much. i like v8 pickup trucks, i like honda civics. i think the government has no business dictating what i, or anyone else should drive. i think the government has overstepped their role by a mile in so many things i no longer am surprised by any of it. i'm dismayed by all of it.
last edited: 4/09/09 9:06:17 AM”

“thanks for the honesty... it's rare to get a response on a political topic that doesn't throw out slogans and insults

as for me, I believe that all government is inherently corrupt and filthy - republican, democrat, whatever - I think they're all puppets with the hands of big business up their wahoos - bickering with one another just enough to convince the public that they aren't just extensions of the same greedy entity. My ideals tell me that we'd be better off without it at all (or at least, with a tremendous revolution - but that's not really possible anymore) and I'm all for small-scale anarchy (IE retreating to a place remote enough that you no longer see any government nor are so obviously under its thumb), but reality tells me that people are flawed, stupid, selfish, and hysterical, and need some sort of government to keep us from killing one another and make sure we don't starve or freeze to death in droves.

So, if we need to have a government, I vote for the environment first - seeing it as the most important thing and maybe the only thing worth saving (in my opinion, of course). Otherwise, I'm all for freedom, equality, and understanding. Perhaps it's just because of the huge contrast between his camp and the Bush regime (which I believe was for anything but freedom, equality, and understanding), but Obama made a lot more sense to me than McCain. Normally, I find that the liberals hold a lot more of these ideals than the conservatives, so I tend to follow them. That said, I'd just as soon vote republican in some future election if I felt the candidate would better serve my ideals (not that I expect it to happen anytime soon).

Personally, I hate politics - the whole thing is dirty to me. Voting means nothing to me - it just means you're playing into the game and pretending that one party is different than the other. But I do it anyways, because maybe, just maybe, some politician who isn't as tainted and dirty as the rest will come into office - and maybe he or she will do such a good job that, the next election, an even less tainted politician might win... and so on until, who knows (you may say I'm a dreamer...) maybe an actual non-corrupt politician might run the country. It's probably a pipe-dream, but you never know... it's the closest thing to a revolution that this country is capable of now.

Is Obama spotless? Probably not. Nobody gets the power and money to run for president through honesty. But I think, at the absolute worst, he's a bit more flavorful turd than McCain, and certainly better than the watery beerschit that Bush was. It's a shame that the best choice the american people have in an election is just the lesser evil - but maybe eventually that will lead to something better. I voted for Obama because I believe that's a step toward this - time will tell if we were right.”

“I'm surprised we even have any environment left after Bush and Co. raped and pilaged and gave all the money to their rich cronies in the last 8 years. Cutting HUGE tracts of forest....bulldozing the Appalachian Mountains right off the map.....pouring billions of pounds of ashes from the illegally burned bodies of Iraqi collateral victims into streams.....shooting all the wolves and caribou into extinction.....sad. I'm sure there are hundreds more examples of Bush and Co. destroying the environment in the last 8 years......hundreds.”
Nonconformist
11:33:46 AM
3/26/09


Pepsi, do you stay out of the woods or off the trails? Drive a car? Have electricity? Aren't you afraid you're going to upset the balance of nature?

Rosey is right for a change; you won't get straight answers---to assumptions or thought projections.”

“Why are you posting your facetious response again? Who's projecting? The guy asked a straight up question and you again evade it. You voted twice for a guy that could give two chits about the environment.”

“there you go, put things in strict black and white to try and prove a point

Yes, I drive a car when I have to. Yes, this being a backpacking board, I do indeed do some hiking on (and off) trails. However, I've never built a housing development on fifty acres of untouched chaparral, I've never dammed up a river or stuck an oil well in the ground. I'd say there's a bit of a difference between going for a walk in the woods and cutting the woods down, wouldn't you?

To infer, as you have, that if I were a true environmentalist, I'd eschew cars and electricity and never set foot in the wilderness again is just complete nonsense. You claim to be a "nonconformist"... so, how many laws have you broken today? Do you have a job? A boss? when you drive, which side of the road is it on? do you stop for red lights?

... you can see how idiotic that train of thought is”

“I really think it'd be a stretch for the most right of the right-wings to say that Bush cared much or did much for the environment. He was all for drilling, mining, and development, not protection.
~Pepsi


I'm sure there are hundreds more examples of Bush and Co. destroying the environment in the last 8 years......hundreds.”
Nonconformist
11:33:46 AM
3/26/09



You guys throw out false premise after false premise and wonder why no one bites? Seriously?”

“so, instead of making your own little baseless claims, prove me wrong. Let's compare and contrast what Bush did FOR the environment and what he did AGAINST it.”

“To infer, as you have, that if I were a true environmentalist, I'd eschew cars and electricity and never set foot in the wilderness again is just complete nonsense.


Thank you, I see we are in agreement. The premise that being conservative or voting for GWB makes one not really care about the environment is nonsense as well.”

“Silly Libbies”

“I never said that... I asked for someone to explain it. If you think Bush was pro environment, than that's all you had to say. If you think he wasn't, then I want to know how you reconciled that enough to vote for him. Were his other ideals in-line with yours enough that you were willing to make that concession? Were Kerry and Gore just that bad? Have you just always voted republican no matter what? It was a simple question.

baume66 managed to figure it out without needing six or seven follow-up posts to clarify. Maybe you should get with him and have him walk you through it...”

“Ultimately, it does, non. Unless, I guess, you gave a healthy dose of funds to a legitimate environmental group to offset what was widely recognized as an administration that did quite a bit to harm the environment. Are you actually denying that the Bush Administration didn't harm the environment through their actions? This should be fun!”

“...widely recognized as an administration that did quite a bit to harm the environment. Are you actually denying that the Bush Administration didn't harm the environment through their actions?


So then it shouldn't be a problem for you to list the plethora of examples. You missed the chance last month.

PS: this should be fun!
last edited: 4/09/09 10:06:26 AM”

“Pepsis, some vote for republicans because certain smoke screen issues trump all other considerations including common sense and common good.

The repubs have successfully exploited that for decades roping in suckers who fall for those tactics year after year.”

“here you go: http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=the_bush_administration_s_environmental_record

(make sure you read all three pages)”

“you have plethora on your face...”

“LOL, hardly.”

“Wow! You read all three pages in eight minutes? That's incredible!

So, does that mean you think Bush was pro-environment? It's a simple question I'm sure you'll do your best not to answer.”

“LMAO!”

“clearly, I made a huge mistake here in assuming that I wasn't talking to a complete frocking retard... how embarassing”

“I think you make a lot of mistakes. My favorite was when you tried to make a case against the term "Kool-Aid Drinker." Big surprise there.

My favorite part of your list is the horrors caused by snowmobile riders.”

“I've been asking the same question online for over a dozen years. Based on what I've seen, I think they're more 'survivalists' than Naturalists.

I've known people for nearly twenty years who do climate research and they marvel at those who continue to swallow the energy companies' PR, hook, line and sinker.


Oh look....   There's a photo of old 'Bandar Bush.' Here's a pic of the Airbus A340 he bought with kickbacks from British Aerospace and others:



He had it painted in silver and blue, the colors of his favorite football team: the Dallas Cowboys. It's his private taxi. It makes a Gulfstream IV look like a toy, doesn't it?”

“This is class noncon. Shown the facts, stutters, falls on his face.

OH yeah. He's a sled rider (obviously).”

“Obviously Tilt is insanely jealous of Bush's success.”

“Shown the facts, stutters, falls on his face.

LMFAO!





Pepsi, Rosey, T*lt, you have some Kool-Aid on your faces.”

“At least one stovie 'Silly libby' worked it's way in dare somewhere.”

“you still haven't said ANYTHING, though... you've managed to quote things we've said and (poorly) ridicule them, but you've said nothing. This isn't discourse, this is the peanut gallery trying to participate in a grown-up conversation”

“I mean seriously guys, allowing snowmobiles in a park (no rosey, I don't ride them, and yes, I am only picking one example) is someone's idea of anti-environment? Whose?”

“Hmm. Pepsi sounds just like Y2.”

“I didn't put the list together - what about the 75 other points it makes? Are all those invalidated because of the one snowmobile one?”

“Deflection strokes......”