The Civil War In Four Minutes (video)

“I first saw this at the Abraham Lincoln Museum last December. I just had to watch it over and over again. I was mesmerized at the ebb and flow of the war. I had never realized what a geographic standoff it was until Sherman's March to the Sea. Watching the counter click off unthinkable numbers is daunting.

This is a must-see.

The Civil War In Four Minutes

http://www.idkwtf.com/videos/latest-videos/the-civil-war-in-four-minutes”

“Thanks, that is great. It could happen again if we don't peacefully split into three or four soon and mello this superpower act before it grows out of it's shorts.”

“anyone for a game of "risk"?”

“That was cool. When the South went, it went fast.”

“When the South went

And thank goodness it did. Sherman was one hell of a general.”

“that reminded me of the computer game "Civilization." Except that game took months of my life, and this, only 4 minutes. Awesome”

“Thanks for posting that. Very interesting.”

“Only one problem with this display. The Civil War began in Kansas.”

“hmmm, work filter blocked it as R rated...were they fighting naked?”

“Yep...hot southern belles vs Yankee broads”

“I liked the pillow fight scene.
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“Mutt, Sherman was in interesting General. His reason for the March Through Georgia was that he had witnessed so many young men on both sides die in useless exchanges that he felt unless the true horror of war was brought home to the South the war would just grind on.

I believe he was the one who made the original comment that war is horrible and the worse it is the quicker sane men want to get it over with.”

“"The first modern general." - I forget who to credit for that.

edit: Military historian Basil Liddell Hart
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“dude, we had this debate before. Sherman was ordered to join his army with Grant's as soon as possible. To march fast he needed provisions and the fear of the country side to prevent guerrilla actions. He wasn't interested in any great philosophy. He just wanted to feed his troops and keep his the locals to shocked to hamper his advance. (An example of early shock and awe). he might have said that other crap, but it was just to sooth his inner guilt for the devastation he placed on the civilian population he left to starve to death.”

“He was a brilliant strategist and master of maneuvering. His genius was incorporated by later masters of warfare. Most historians note that very little loss of civilian life occurred during his "total war" in Georgia. If the Southreners are still butt-hurt about it, then perhaps they shouldn't have rebelled to keep their state's rights to keep slaves. They got their asses handed to them, rightfully so.”

“YEEEEE-HAAAAAWWWWWWW

Send N.B. Forest to slap Mutt!”

“So this is bullshirt?

LOL...http://www.answers.com/topic/sherman-s-march-to-the-sea

Uniquely among Union generals, Sherman had the intellectual and emotional capacity to understand psychological warfare, a war of mass civilian terror. He was quite explicit about the deeper meanings of his march even before he started. “I propose to demonstrate the vulnerability of the South, and make its inhabitants feel that war and individual ruin are synonymous terms,” he wrote to one associate, while adding to another, “I am going into the very bowels of the Confederacy, and will leave a trail that will be recognized fifty years hence.” In a cooler and more analytic vein, Sherman also recognized that as the South lacked a military force to oppose his destruction of its infrastructure and agricultural supplies, his victory would be “proof positive” to all Southerners and to the world that the North had an overwhelming power that the South could not resist. “This may not be war, but rather statesmanship,” Sherman concluded, thus making his own political analysis of war. If civilian morale crumbled, so would the Southern army and state.

yes we have had the argument before...and you got #&%!$ slapped the last time too
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“bla bla bla. They won because they had more resources and because the war was fought in the South which demolished our resources. Thankfully. Both countries would be lesser entity divided than we are as a whole.

The war was lost when Lincoln was re-elected. The only hope the South had was to hope the North would get sick of it and let the south succeed. The heart went out of the South when Lincoln won and it was clear that he was not going to sue for peace like would have happened if he lost.
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“Yeah...thank God they didn't have tilty giving a running account of casualties each day.


Hyway, you made a statement that is patently false. Infact if you read the article (among others) you will find Grant and Lincoln were not all that positive about Sherman's success.”

“Jezees! Why can't you guys play peacfully? You always have to trample each others sandcastles and throw sand into each others eyes, huh?”

“When did I say that grant or sherman was positive. I said he was ordered to join his army with grants. is that not true?”

“Send N.B. Forest to slap Mutt!

Another master of maneuvering.”

“Jezees! Why can't you guys play peacfully?

On a civil war thread? It's universally guaranteed to cause a sh*tstorm in any mixed forum. Mostly due to Southern Revisionist History.”

“Not at the intial stages of the march (following Atlanta). Now when he reached Savannah (I am sure you know why he didn't destroy Savannah?) I think I remember the reason he went north was to connect with Grant's Army.

LOL..Euro, stay neutral in this (LOL) we are having a guy argument...I enjoy historical debates with Hyway. The guy is pretty darn educated and I bet we could take opposing view of the theory of any former campaign.


Okay Hyway..what was the actual first 'aggressive action" against the Union?”

“Hyway, you made a statement that is patently false. Infact if you read the article (among others) you will find Grant and Lincoln were not all that positive about Sherman's success.”
theXL400
7:30:36 AM
2/10/09

Sorry, gotta call you on this one. Grant was entrenched around Petersburg at the time of Sherman's march. Lincoln, Grant and Sherman all met and planned this out. They felt that if Sherman could make the march from Atlanta to the sea, and live off the land, that might force Lee to send troops south to deal with him.

Grant and Sherman did fight together early in the war at Shiloh. Grant was the General in charge of all troops on the field, while Sherman was General in charge of one of the Corps.”

“Oh what the heck....



"WK you ignorant Sl*t"...LOL

(An old SNL skit I ofcourse do not wish to case dispersions on WK, who is obviously wise in so many ways) Rather this was a preemptory strike of the childish nature that this thread will eventually reduce into.



I am sure there are a dozen theories of why. I understand and agree that it was all part of the overall plan to disable the south. All I said was that Sherman was quoted as understanding the necessity to carry out such a campaign. He knew the value of the psychological aspect on the South. Granted you send an army that big chopping and tearing its way through the south you HAVE to have an effect on the overall ability of the south to wage war.”

“the first was the taking of a similar fort like sumpter down in Florida.”

“Yes hyway, you are right there.”

“the first was the taking of a similar fort like sumpter down in Florida.”
hyway
10:14:48 AM
2/10/09

Note that there appears to be a blob of blue around Pensacola. Was there a portion held by the Union for the duration of the war?

I really enjoyed that little video.

I've never really read up that much on the war. I did watch the PBS show last night on the assassination of Lincoln because my cousin was in it. This has made me a little curious about all of it. Might be a good thing to start reading up on.”

“SO where was the shelling of the Star of the West (LOL) its a trick question in this historical review.”

“Fort pickens in Florida was similar to Fort Sumpter in that the Union wouldn't vacate the premises when the South thought they had become the new owners. The new owners tried to evict them, but the existing tenants invited some friends to move in with them and kicked the new owners off the property. The new owners never were able to claim their prize.”

“i'm reading civil war: a narrative by foote. only half way through v.1”

“Opie I read that 12 years ago... all 3,000 pages

McPherson's Battle Cry of Freedom is also quite good..

Grant's autobiography (memoirs) is great too even if it is at times self serving (aren't they all)..

'32oz”

“Right here - right here! In Lovejoy (Lovejoy Station in 1860's), GA - just south of Jonesboro - is where Kentucky's "Orphan Brigade" was outfitted with several thousand captured Union horses. They became the war's only mounted infantry. Cool trivia.

Few, if any, of "Sherman's Sentinals" remain standing today.

It's cool to drive through the Mid Atlantic region, New England, etc, and note all the historic homes and estates - some dating to the 17th century. Won't find much of that here.”

“Even if you do find 17th century homes, none of the iron work will be period. All of it was taken down and melted for cannon balls and such.”

“I enjoyed watching the West Virginia border. Once Va. left The Union the Ridge Runners claimed the western third of the state for the North and after that the rebs almost never crossed the line. Topography don't hurt if YOU are on the high ground. If you haven't guessed that's where most of my ancestors were back then.
Oppie; Foote is a favorite of mine. He can explain things in detail with out being 'dry'. If you enjoy history books in volumes try W. Churchill's "History of the English Speaking People".”

“Every person I show this video to asks me to email the link to them so they can show someone else.”

“Bruce Catton's three books give a good account of the entire war.
http://www.amazon.com/Bruce-Cattons-Civil-War-Boxed/dp/1898800227

West Virginia was quick to go.
That former part of Virginia was the poor step child of the wealthy slave-holding coastal plain and piedmont.
When push came to shove they shoved off.”

“I liked "The Guns of the South" better.”

“These are the three I read about 30 years ago.
I visited most of the locations eventually.

Army of the Potomac trilogy

* Mr. Lincoln's Army (1951) — The first volume of the history of the Army of the Potomac, from its formation, the command of George B. McClellan, the Peninsula Campaign, the Northern Virginia Campaign, and the Battle of Antietam.
* Glory Road (1952) — Continuing under new commanding generals from the Battle of Fredericksburg to the Battle of Gettysburg.
* A Stillness at Appomattox (1953)”

“History of the English Speaking People
Churchill refers to Picketts Charge, or more specifically, when the Confederate General (don't recall his name) put his hand on a Union cannon atop Cemetery Ridge as "...the moment America found it's manhood".”

“That would have been Lewis Armistead I believe...

'32oz”

“Re; WV, heck yeah they shoved off. Not enough room in a coal mine to swing a whip so no call to fight for slavery...er I mean they were loyal, non-racist, and ahead of the curve.
(Don't tell anybody we still had segragated communities when is was growing up in the 70's.)”