WE SURROUND THEM!

“Good grief.”

“OK strat - You're unmoved by proof that Beck lied to you when he raved about Mark Lloyd proposing a 100% tax on certain broadcasters. (1% is less than 100%, no?)

The program that Beck did about the Apollo Alliance seems to have your panties knotted up a bit too. These are the folks with radicals like people from Google and Pacific Electric and Gas on their board of directors that are pushing for the development of renewable energy to reduce our dependence on foreign oil. Do you think this is an evil goal?

I watched the clip of Beck's show where he had Phil Kerpen of "Americans for Prosperity" on to explain this evil plot. These are the same people who shill for the tobacco industry and are funded in part by Exxon Mobil. Do you really think your eyes & mind have been opened when your source of information about alternative energy is paid by Exxon Mobil? Don't you think that it may be possible that they are paying him to misinform you? Don't you hate being a tool?”

“... And while you're at it, explain what Fannie and Freddie have to do with the looming commercial real estate problems (this ought to be good).”

“I hear the Dims are starting to turn on their messiah, and Nancy, and Reid.”

“On one hand, the right says Obama is single-handedly destroying the country's economy. On the other hand, they say Obama is single-handedly taking over the United States from its people through a series of schemes.

It's like these people just woke up from the party in a puddle of their own puke and wonder who coulda done such a thing!”

“On one hand, the right says Obama is single-handedly destroying the country's economy. On the other hand, they say Obama is single-handedly taking over the United States from its people through a series of schemes.
roseyMOnster
10:54:36 AM
8/27/09


OH MY GOD! OBAMA IS BUSH!!!!!!!!


(congrats rosey, you finally get it! see how ridiculous that is?)”

“wow, I admit strat, I was wrong when I thought you were dumb. You're clearly not dumb. You're just completely fvcking batty. Please accept this tinfoil hat (to keep the Obamanazis out of your brain) as my way of apologizing for this terrible misunderstanding.”

“Perhaps he is possessed, Peps....”

“utterly brainwashed, completely clueless about political systems, angry, misled, and mad as a hatter...”

“Mommy shouldn't of let him suck on that thermometer...”

“Those "Americans for Prosperity" get around, don't they? Just the other day I was reading how they're whipping the gullible into a frenzy over healthcare issues.

Interesting how the money man pays to generate the frenzy in areas where his investments happen to be.

Don't let 'em sucker you, 'D00d.


Town Hall Protests: Astroturf 2.0?

Americans for Prosperity

Americans for Prosperity is one of the most prominent groups opposing the Obama administration's two key domestic policy goals: health care reform and cap and trade. The organization presents itself as a grassroots movement that espouses limited government. But a large portion of its money comes via staunch free-market conservative David Koch, part owner of Koch Industries, an oil and gas conglomerate that is perhaps the largest privately owned company in the US, with holdings in medical device and pharmaceutical companies.

Koch helped found AFP in 2003 and serves as chairman of its affiliated foundation. Its president is Tim Phillips, a master of the art of astroturf. Along with Ralph Reed, he cofounded Century Strategies, a PR and consulting firm known for effectively renting out Reed's evangelical Christian allies to its clients—not to mention clients of Jack Abramoff. In 1999 and 2000, Century mobilized anti-gambling evangelicals to protest proposed casinos—but didn't know Century was working for an Abramoff client, a casino-owning Indian tribe hoping to vanquish its competition. In a memo, an Abramoff colleague noted that Century's Christian connections would ensure a "political effort that truly resembles a people's movement" without the signs of a "paid political operation."

This year, AFP is devoting its deep resources and strategic prowess to organize protests at Democratic health care town hall meetings, where activists hold signs like "Sorry Grandma, No Health Care for You." But unlike most typical astroturf operations, AFP's efforts seem intended to gather a broader base of supporters. To that end, the group makes use of social networking sites to reach out to potential followers. It posts information about local events and organizing strategies for its nearly 4,500 fans on Facebook, who share YouTube videos of protests. More than 1,000 people rallied at an August event in Scottsdale, Arizona, organized by AFP; the local fire department was called to handle overflow.

AFP sponsors two other groups advocating against the Obama administration's proposed reforms, innocuously titled Patients United Now and Patients First. Both fund ads that make misleading claims. One Patients United Now television ad wrongly asserts that "Washington wants to bring Canadian-style health care to the US." Patients First also launched a 13-state bus tour that wraps up at the end of August. At one stop a speaker compared proposed reforms to the Stalin and Hitler regimes because they would lead to "physician-assisted suicide"—a blatantly false claim. But these outlandish accusations have proved convincing to some: More than 206,000 people have signed Patients First's petition opposing current health care reform proposals.



They seem to be Americans, but the Prosperity they champion is theirs alone ------

Remember the email that was recently leaked from the American Petroleum Institute? How Much Ya Wanna Bet these Plastic Prosperity people are helping to stir the "outrage" for that as well?

Be on the lookout ----

”

“MotherJones again.
Come on moonbat, even you can do better than that.
LOL”

“Here Tilty quote from this

http://www.zimbio.com/Ezekiel+Emanuel”

“I'm the dood. Or his doodness, or dooderino if you're not into that whole brevity thing.
Dood, if you achieve the political "purity" you seek, it will inevitably break down into those who think they are more politically pure and their opposition. From what I see, your idealists thrive on contention. Am I wrong?”

“Contention.... when they find themselves out of office.”

“

When not deep frying babies, t*ltypoo uses this.”

“How much of that horse is left to kick, SternO?”

“Dan, screw purity, the fact is that this government is OUT OF CONTROL. Am I wrong? Is that not a problem for you?”

“how is it OUT OF CONTROL? You love using that line, but what do you mean exactly, dood?”

“It's been out of effing control for the last 20 years. It just depends on which direction the control is out of as to who goes nucking futs.”

“I'm still waiting to hear how windmills and solar panels will destroy America and enslave her citizens.”

“SHHHHH Violin! Gas is at $2.55 a gallon and America has fallen back asleep. Please don't wake us.”

“Look, I'm just a lone nutjob, I can't talk to 15 of you at once, I have a job and a family and a life. I'm not gonna sit in my Mom's basement all night blogging....

Pepsi, there are 18 pages on this thread, each with 50 posts. Go back and review it if you still don't know what I mean.

Nigal, I agree it's been going on a long and it's both sides doing it. Now WTF are you gonna do about it?

People, I'm not yelling I'm not in a militia and I don't have a gun strapped across my back. I'm just sick of both sides making excuses, blaming others, calling names, saying one thing and doing another and making policies that dont make sense. We have to unite or we all lose. Anyone who won't admit this is, in my opinion, being dishonest and quite frankly, part of the problem. I know I'll never convince the ubers.

Let's talk facts, and be honest. I have given you some facts to ponder and mostly all of your responses have been either to vilify me personally or to say so what, the republicans phucked up too.

We have to fire them. It's simple. They are not doing things in our best interest. This whole thing is just a giant scheme to ensure the power circle. You think progressives care about you or the working man or the poor? Here's a fact. All of the big cities where poverty and crime are rampant have been run by progressives for decades. So where are the results of all their "caring"? They are using you, and using me adn using the poor people. If they solve poverty, nobody will need them any more. If they solve healthcare, we don't need them. It's not about us in their minds, it's about them.

I'm ok with you all calling me names. Whatever. It's a great rule for radicals. I'm over it. Your tactics will not make me be quiet, ever. I'm just trying to bring common sense to the equation.”

“Nigal, I agree it's been going on a long and it's both sides doing it. Now WTF are you gonna do about it?

Breaking the two part stranglehold is probably the only solution. Democrats complaining about a horrible Bush admin get shouted down and dismissed as whiners and republicans complaining about an out of control Obama admin get shouted down and dismissed as whiners. With the two party system everyone in between gets screwed.

I blame the republicans for the current political landscape because of their cheap and embarrassing attempts to take Clinton down. It forces the opposition on both sides to do whatever it takes to gain political power and the upper hand.

People holding their own party leaders accountable is a good start but that will never happen.”

“How bout we start asking them questions and demand answers?

- Our unfunded liability for Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid is close to $100 trillion. Is there any way to pay for these programs without bankrupting America?

- We are in so much debt, why spend more borrowed money on cap-and-trade and healthcare programs before we stop the flow of red-ink?

- The stimulus package funneled billions of dollars to ACORN. How does giving billions of dollars to ACORN stimulate the economy?

- If it was so important for congress to pass the stimulus bill before they even had time to read it why has only a fraction of the stimulus money been spent 6 months later?

- Bush said he had to abandon free market principles in order to save them, how exactly does that work?

- Why won’t members of Congress read the bills before they vote on them?

- Why are citizens mocked and laughed at when they ask their congressman to read the bills before they vote on them?

- Was the cash-for-clunkers program meant to save the earth or the economy? Did it accomplish either?

- How did Van Jones, a self-proclaimed communist become a special advisor to the president?

- Did President Obama know of Van Jones’ radical political beliefs when he named him special advisor?

- The Apollo Alliance claimed credit for writing the stimulus bill—why was this group allowed to write any portion of this bill?

- If politicians aren’t writing the bills and aren’t reading the bills, do they have any idea what these 1000 page plus bills actually impose on the American people?

- If the ‘public option’ health care plan is so good why won’t politicians agree to have that as their plan?

- If town hall meetings are intended for the politicians to learn what’s on our mind—why do they spend so much time talking instead of listening?

- Politicians are refusing to attend town hall meetings complaining, without evidence, that they are scripted. Does that mean we shouldn’t come out and vote for you since every campaign stop, baby kiss and speech you give is scripted?

- Why would you want to overwhelm the system?

- Is using the economic crises to rush legislation through congress what Rahm Emanuel meant when he talked about "not letting a crises go to waste"?

- What are the czars paid? What is the budget for their staffs/offices?”

“- Who is "surrounding" the President in the White House?

- Do any of the President's advisers have criminal records?

- Are the President's advisers working to better the country or their own ideals?

- Who are the anti-capitalists in Washington?

- What roles do they have in crafting bills?

- What was "STORM"? What happened to the founders, where are they now?

- What qualifications must one have to be a Presidential adviser?

- What is the difference between a community organizer and a community activist?

- Do the czars have power?

- Should a communist have the ear of the President of the United States?

- What role did the Apollo Alliance play in crafting bills?

- Does the President know the co-founder of the Weather Underground is a board member of the Apollo Alliance?

- How many people in the administration are connected to the movement for a democratic society?

- What role does George Soros play... CONSTITUTIONALLY?”

“- Why does the FCC have a diversity "czar"?

- Who is Mark Lloyd and how does he plan to "balance" the airwaves?

- Will he bring back the Fairness Doctrine or worse?

- Cass Sunstein once said he wants to balance the Internet; is that next?

- Will broadcasters who leave the airwaves be allowed to go to satellite or Internet without government regulation?

- Is there any place (that has a mass audience) where the government wont regulate free speech?

- Why does it seem every member of the Obama advisory team hates capitalism, unless those companies (like G.E.) are in bed with the administration?

If Lloyd has his way, stations who don't comply to the governments definition of the "public interest" will have to pay a massive fine — that helps support public broadcasting:

- What will be the definition of "public interest"?

- Who defines "public interest"?

- Why should it be balanced? Because it's public airwaves? (Well, there are public roads that go by my house and I don't count how many Republicans and Democrats are driving on them)”

“- Why do we need a civilian force?

- Who is posing a threat to us?

- Who will this "force" be made up of?

- Who is the real enemy?

- Does the president know of a coming event? If not, who builds an army against an unrecognized enemy?

- Why won't the media get off their butts and look into these radicals in the White House? And into this civilian army?”

“All valid questions.”

“now let's hear some facts, not opinions, not suggestions, not idealogy

facts”

“True. If these questions are not true I'd want to hear the answers that clear it up.”

“Could someone help me spell MyCARtheism?

I'm going to hang upside down in my Teeter hang up until I rewatch every movie and news show I've ever watched, so I can find out what they really were doing to my mind.
last edited: 8/28/09 8:21:15 PM”

“I already told you mang, that won't work with me. Furthermore you seem to be nothing more than a instigating revolutionary and I think you are an anarchist(sp?). I'd bet that you're familiar with all the organizations I've mentioned but you know you have to hide your agenda. I say these things based on my observations of the things you say. It's my opinion of you. Am I correct? If I am wrong, I will apologize.

Do you have any answers to any of these questions? More importantly, do you care what the answers are? I don't think you do.


And save the name calling for some 3rd grader, I'm over it...”

“Ha! Salebord's only agenda is trying to speak frickin' English.”

“You could start by finding the real problem. Try to imagine that government is just like church, The money is the most important part and the rest is just Hollywood? Imagine business is just like the church, money is the most important part and the rest is just Hollywood. Now Goverment and business and the church are all piles of money in Hollywood.

Now stop imagining and trust what I said.
last edited: 8/28/09 10:06:42 PM”

“Nigal, you plastic bag carrying wimp. Blaming Republicans for Clinton's misdeeds is like blaming a shop keeper for prosecuting people who steal from him.”

“Bacpac you estrogen carrying cross dresser. Spending millions of dollars trying to bust the president about an affair is ridiculous. They simply threw everything at Clinton like he was a Teflon Don and prayed something would stick. Some jizz was the only thing that stuck. Which reminds me, ya got a little something in your beard. No, right there.”

“Where's all the ankle biters this morning? Man, I got my tinfoil hat on and everything...”

“Maybe, if you have employee funded health care, you'll be covered 100% with your untaxed compensation that allows you to go among the ankle biters without fear of having to stand in line and be exposed to the lowest of low elements in this oncoming cast society, to see your doctor.”

“yup...anarchist”

“Something you can't deny, but also don't want to accept is that Los Angeles has been and will continue to be the bell weather of future trends in this country and the world. Right now, LA, because of it's high illegal and high homeless populations is closing Emergency Rooms at very fast rates. Each closure compresses the load onto the few that struggle to survive.

When your locale starts to catch up with LA's problem, you will see why people are so concerned about health care as we pretend to know it.

I am not an anarchist, I don't fit in any one pigeon hole. I do not make the mistake of following one group into dogmatic views that someone knows the answer to all questions.”

“Strat - When backed into a corner you claim you don't have time to answer.

I've provided several instances where you've been lied to by your guru but you run away and stick your head in the sand.

Yet somehow you find the time to cut & paste a mountain of crap from Glenn Beck (without attribution) and ask for answers.

Why should anyone bother? You obviously don't want to hear the answers and can't even defend your own position.

How about we take things one at a time?

The Apollo Alliance was successful in getting something like $100 billion in subsidies for wind and solar power written into the stimulus bill. I think its a great idea. If we'd started on this sooner, we'd be in a far better position today.

What exactly do you find so threatening about wind and solar power?”

“

http://www.daybydaycartoon.com”

“A Solar Stovie cookin' under the shade of the old wind mill, while wearing a bright green shirt'n'skirt.”

“whoa whoa whoa...back that up, you didn't prove anything and you didn't answer my questions ...not one


Everytime I ask a question, you do the ole switcherino distrato and ask me a question. Then you insult my intelligence and my character... it doesn't work on me. Try to focus and keep your opinions to yourself. We're only interested in FACTS

How bout you explain who they are, who the founders are, How in the hell they got to write the stimulus bill and why congress didn't even read it before passing it all the while stateing they had to pass it before reading it but yet haven't enacted most of it...oh and why they gave BILLIONS to ACORN.

you first, and while your at it, save the name calling for the playground

remember, just tha facts”

“
You can't handle the truth. No truth-handler, you.
I deride your truth-handling abilities.

Sideshow Bob
(Kelsey Grammer)
"Sideshow Bob Roberts"
The Simpsons [season 6, episode 5 (1994)]

”

“' Are the President's advisers working to better the country or their own ideals?'


Could read; Are the President's advisers working to better the country or dOOd's ideals?”

“You don't really wanna find out what going on
You don't really wanna know just how far it's gone
Just leave well enough alone
Keep your dirty laundry”