WE SURROUND THEM!

“Let's start by establishing what reality is.

1) Provide support for your contention that the Apollo Alliance wrote the stimulus bill.

2) Provide proof that ACORN received money from the bill.”

“Oh for the love of fukcing Pete. The old "you prove it, no you prove it" bit.”

“OK -

The Apollo Alliance did not write the stimulus bill.

ACORN did not recieve a penny, let alone billions, from the stimulus bill.

Strat's "facts" are made up which makes it diffucult to reason with him.”

“It sounds like Beckkk is visited regularly by the Tooth Fairy.

Why should he be any different from the other Rebublican media sources?

The scam that killed me was the one Cheney pulled time and again to create the war. One of his guys would talk to a reporter on background (your basic unnamed source) saying something completely unsupported by fact and then two days later Cheney would show up on Meet The Press and say, "Well, it was printed in the Times just yesterday that...."

What A #&%!$-Shoveller!

Too bad so many people had to die.”

“Then why is the Apollo Alliance claiming they wrote the bill? If they didn't write it, who did?

Acorn(they have over 200 splinter groups) did too recieve billions and they slated to be hired to do the 2010 census.

By the way Tilt, Beck's not a republican and neither am I”

“We need to have all right wing trials where the defendant has to prove their innocence while the prosecution sits back and watches OJ trial reruns.”

“Strat, links?”

“ok NIgal, I'll do that Monday from work. I'm on dial-up out here in the woods and I can't stand how slow this POS computer is. You can start here though, There plenty to look through.

http://www.the912project.com/?07ae5900

Or just start googleing these names I'm mentioning.

I hope I'm wrong about this st=uff but it sure seems like a patern developing with all the president's men....”

“
We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million typewriters will eventually reproduce the entire works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true.

Robert Wilensky
http://www.angelfire.com/in/hypnosonic/Parable_of_the_Monkeys.html


According to a personal communication from Prof. Wilensky, he uttered this more elegant reformulation of Houghton's version at the Industrial Liason Program meeting at the EECS Department, University of California, Berkeley, in the spring of 1996.

Wilensky's version began appearing as a very frequent email and web-page epigraph starting in 1997, often attributed to Prof. Silensky, with varying institutional affiliation: California University, Cambridge University, and so on.

”

“Yeah so whatever, anyways...how bout some of those facts?

Anybody got any?

Anybody care about who is steering this presidency?”

“I gave you some facts strat.

Here's proof that ACORN didn't receive any ARRA funds: http://www.factcheck.org/2009/02/the-stimulus-bill-and-acorn/


Do you have anything besides Beck, who appears to be full of #&%!$?

It appears that you're mad as hell about imaginary conspiracies.”

“Beckkk went after Van Jones with all this garbage in retaliation for Jones' efforts to boycott Beckkk's advertisers after Bekkk called Obama a racist.

Beckkk Just Kinda Neglected To Mention That In His Attacks On Jones.

So if Beckkk hadn't lied about Obama in the first place none of this would be happening at all ----



the Heir Apparent of Hedda Hopper Strikes Again! � LOL

”

“Is a former drunk as good/bad as a former communist?

Louella says high to tilt.
last edited: 8/30/09 8:55:55 AM”

“
David Roberts
Staff Writer, Grist Magazine
Posted: July 31, 2009 03:34 PM


Glenn Beck: Van Jones Is a Radical Commie Intent On, Um, Creating Private Sector Jobs

Glenn Beck has uncovered a plot! (Yes, another one.)

Turns out Van Jones, President Obama's green jobs czar, is going to coordinate a vast radical/communist/black nationalist takeover of our sweet, virginal land of liberty. Most diabolical of all, he's going to do it by organizing efforts to train and employ low-income people in private sector jobs. Don't you understand? They're going to take over from the inside! You know: them.

Admit it, it's brilliant. Here Beck exposes the cabal of Big Labor, Big Green, Big Business, and Big Commie, orchestrated by the many-tentacled Apollo Alliance.

Can you talk me out of the crazy tree?! No. No, I'm afraid not. You've found them. Right in the last place they thought you'd look.

Jones was undercover for a while, collecting degrees from University of Tennessee at Martin and Yale Law. But then he became an advocate. A (shudder) community organizer. We all know what that means, right Sarah?

Recently he tried to throw tireless commie-hunters like Beck off his trail by writing a book--2008's The Green Collar Economy--that argued for saving the US free-market economy from stagflation by investing in green innovation, infrastructure, and industries, creating millions of jobs in the private sector. But don't be fooled. It was all in the name of bringing down The Man!

Scary, right? You gonna trust this guy ahead of Glenn Beck? I didn't think so.

Of course, the shadowy Apollo Alliance ... are they Soros-funded? Probably! ... wants the government to support the evolution of a clean energy economy. Yeah, you heard right: They want the government to provide incentives to businesses to invest in green technologies and services. Needless to say, this kind of Stalinistic, top-down central planning leads only to disasters like the internet, the Interstate Highway System, the polio vaccine, and velcro. And, my god, flouridation. Don't forget flouridation.

The sinister plan was going perfectly well until the radios in Glenn Beck's teeth told him how much danger we're in. And thank Reagan they did!

Never be afraid to shout at the clouds, Glenn. They're looking at you funny.

”

“Oh yeah, who cares if he's a commie, he's a green commie....geesh dood. Jones went after Beck first.....somehow that's retaliation on Beck's part? Stick to the facts man! That bogus article you copy/pasted from Grist(eyeroll)fails to mention Jones' helping to found STORM or his criminal record or his self declaration that he is a communist who follows the teachings of Chairman Mao, or that he named his son after some radical dictator...or his blaming the US the day after 9/11...this guy is as radical as they come and the evidence is out there if you really want the truth

And salebored, at least Beck admits to being a former drinker. He doesn't hide his agenda. What's more, Jones is a CURRENT communist, not a former communist.

Violin, I just don't buy that faact check. org thang. It's just and archive of things they've looked into. Not that they're untrustworthy just that they haven't looked into all aspects of the subject. Like I said, ACORN is a constantly morphing target with around 300 offshoots. It's like playing whack-a-mole. There's no way they can look into every penney when there's a trillion dollars involved. I'll dig into it more when I'm on my fast computer at work but Factcheck is by no means the end all when it comes to anything.

Guys, Beck will admit it when he gets something wrong. I've heard him do it. He's not interested in spreading lies. All you have to do is find the proof and e-mail him and he will retract it on the air...he's not a liar or a kook. He has an entire research team and they don't release stuff unless they are confident they have it right. Just let them know if he's got it wrong and he'll admit it on the air.”

“Truth and facts only, please. LMAO”

“Arrests and convictions are public record. It should be fairly easy for you to prove that Van Jones has a criminal record, strat - once you can get to "work" that is.”

“Never be afraid to shout at the clouds, 'd00d!”

“Acorn(they have over 200 splinter groups) did too recieve billions and they slated to be hired to do the 2010 census.
- Stratd00d


Another apparent falsehood: http://www.factcheck.org/2009/06/acorn-and-the-census/”

“Looks like you'll be busy at work tomorrow strat. Here's a list of items for you to find support for:

1) The Apollo Alliance wrote the stimulus bill.
2) ACORN will receive billions in funding from the stimulus bill.
3) Van Jones has a criminal record.
4) ACORN has been hired to conduct the 2010 census.


Of course it could be easier just to admit that Beck has been selling you a load of crap. Instead of being angry at Obama, you just might want to get mad at Beck.”

“House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, members of Congressional Black Caucus furious at Rep. Charles Rangel underreporting taxes by $1.3 million, demand he resign. Ha, just kidding. They're backing him all the way”

“I didn't say they HAVE BEEN hired. Whatever, I have no problem admitting an error. Van Jones was arrested during the Rodney King riots and has been quoted as saying "I went into prison a socialist and came out a communist." I believe he was in prison before that as well.

Again I ask you, why is Appollo claiming they wrote the bill if they didn't?

Factcheck.org isn't the final word on anything Violin. You know that.

Oh and what about the other 75 questions Beck asked?

Shall I post them again?”

“FCC Diversity Chief Says Republican Communications Policies Hurt Civil Rights
Friday, August 28, 2009
By Matt Cover




FCC seal(CNSNews.com) � Mark Lloyd, chief diversity officer at the Federal Communications Commission (FCC), claimed that communications policies enacted by Republicans negatively impacted the civil rights of minorities.

Lloyd made the claim in a 1998 essay he wrote while working for the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights. He said that two decades of Republican communications policies had eroded the gains made by the civil rights movement in minority ownership in communications.

Lloyd also said that, prior to the Reagan administration, the FCC recognized that civil rights and communications policy were linked, and he said that minority ownership of radio and television stations was necessary to correct the lack of diversity in media.

�In the late seventies, in recognition of the lack of progress made with these [equal opportunity] employment policies, the FCC ruled that minority ownership was essential to create a diverse range of messages over the public�s airwaves,� Lloyd wrote.

Among the requirements the FCC created were licensing rules that required that the public participate in the license renewal process; caps on how many radio and television stations a company could own in one city; three-year license terms; and a process called ascertainment: requiring station owners to canvas the local community to find out what the public was interested in.

Lloyd said that, starting with Reagan, the Republican-dominated FCC had rolled back these rules, and with them the gains of the civil rights community.




Radio station (public domain)�[T]he great progress made by the civil rights communities in the communications policy arena has been rolled back,� Lloyd said. �The Reagan-dominated FCC destroyed the ascertainment process, arguing that it was too much of an administrative burden on the stations and the FCC.

�Licensing renewal can now be accomplished with a postcard,� he wrote. The worst blow, according to Lloyd, would come from the Telecommunications Act of 1996, passed by a Republican Congress allegedly beholden to big business.

�While touted as a landmark bill updating the sixty-year-old Communications Act for the benefit of U.S. consumers, the T96 Act was created by and for a communications industry dominated by global conglomerates,� said Lloyd in his essay.

The law relaxed the ownership restrictions that had prevented broadcasters from growing and competing with one another, something Lloyd says led to the further triumph of international corporations over local, minority-owned ones.

�Despite the promise of greater competition, the effect of the Act has been an unprecedented wave of consolidation,� Lloyd said. �National broadcast ownership limits were increased to 35 percent. Prohibitions limiting ownership of radio, television, and newspapers by one company in the same market were lifted, thus encouraging media consolidation and the crowding out of independent voices.

�Broadcast license periods were increased, making it virtually impossible for local communities to exercise any control over the stations licensed to serve them,� said Lloyd.

These changes combined to replace a civil rights agenda at the FCC with a commercial one, he said.

�The civil rights agenda has given way to the agenda of the commercial market,� wrote Lloyd. �The work of the civil rights community has suffered through a sustained assault by the right. The core of that assault is to deny funding to civil rights work, silence liberal voices, and set the agenda of public debate by an opposition that is better funded, more organized, and more savvy about strategic communications.

�Combined with this assault is a relentless marketing of the failed dogma of laissez-faire economics,� he wrote.

However, official reports on minority ownership of media show that while there are far fewer minority-owned outlets than white-owned ones, the reason is not FCC rules or right-wing conspiracies but simple market forces and financial issues.

A 1998 report from the National Telecommunications and Information Agency (NTIA) shows that in 1998 � the same year Lloyd made his claims � increased competition and lack of capital were responsible for the meager 2.9 percent share of minority-owned stations.

�Minority broadcasters are finding it increasingly difficult to compete,� the report found. �Access to capital remains one of the most significant impediments to ownership for minorities.�

Competition, the report found, was responsible for the minority owners� problems, as most had difficulty holding on to popular syndicated hosts and talented employees.

�Minority broadcasters also report that they are facing increased competition in securing nationally syndicated programming,� said the report. �Some minority broadcasters report that their general managers, sales managers, and on-air talent are being hired by competing non-minority group owners who can offer higher salaries and wider exposure.�

Today, the situation apparently is no different. A 2007 report commissioned by the FCC and conducted by researchers from Duke University found that while minority ownership had increased slightly, the reasons for the disparity between minority and white ownership remained.

�Since the observed ownership asymmetries are economy-wide, they are undoubtedly linked to broad systemic factors,� the report said. �[T[he most direct explanation lies in unequal access to capital. Many businesses require individuals to sink substantial financial investments upon entry. This is likely to be especially true in media enterprises.�

The only way to change this, the 2007 report said, was to redistribute wealth or increase minorities� access to capital markets. The report did not mention license terms, renewal procedures, or ascertainment.

�[I]n order to change ownership patterns we need to either change the aggregate distribution of wealth or otherwise increase access to capital markets,� said the report.

The report specifically rejected the idea of ownership bans, saying they would not achieve a diversity of views because content was consumer-driven.

�While it is certainly true that an even distribution of ownership seems �fair� and that it might promote a more balanced airing of voices, it is not at all clear that ownership restrictions are the best way to achieve these goals,� stated the report. �[R]ecent research suggests that media content is driven much more by demand considerations (i.e., consumer preferences) than supply factors (i.e., owner preferences).�

In other words, those stations best able to meet those �demand considerations� � what their customers want � are the ones that profit and prosper, and the ones that do not provide what consumers want do not succeed.

The report said: ��Conservative� newspapers offer a �conservative� viewpoint and �liberal� newspapers a �liberal� viewpoint because that is what their subscribers prefer, not to satisfy the agenda of a specific owner. Since most every owner has the goal of maximizing profits [by best serving customers] it is unclear what impact ownership restrictions would in fact have.�




Yeah right...I guess that's why the NYT and many other liberal rags are on the brink and the lamestream media outlets have horrible ratings also....

Wake up folks, the radicals have taken over right under your noses”

“A radical is anyone left of you and Glen I'm guessing. A radical to me is someone who backs up into the future so he can keep his eye on the past.”

“Japan goes liberal in election- what caused that I wonder?”

“Strat - Van Jones never spent any time in prison. Your posting that he has, is libel.

Please provide support for your assertions that:

1) The Apollo Alliance wrote the stimulus bill.
2) ACORN will receive billions in funding from the stimulus bill.
3) Van Jones has a criminal record.
4) ACORN has been will be? hired to conduct the 2010 census.
(5) Van Jones is currently a communist.”

“Yeah he did, twice if I'm not mistaken. Please provide proof that he didn't.”

“and Japan's liberal liberal party suffered a chrushing defeat according to this article on Drudge;

The opposition Democratic Party of Japan was set to win 300 of the 480 seats in the lower house of parliament, ousting the Liberal Democrats, who have governed Japan for all but 11 months since 1955, according to projections by all major Japanese TV networks.

The vote was seen as a barometer of frustrations over Japan's worst economic slump since World War II and a loss of confidence in the ruling Liberal Democrats' ability to tackle tough problems such as the rising national debt and rapidly aging population.

National broadcaster NHK, using projections based on exit polls of roughly 400,000 voters, said the Democratic Party was set to win 300 seats and the Liberal Democrats only about 100. Official results were expected early Monday.


(AP) A voter picks candidates and a party before casting her vote in Japan's parliamentary elections at...
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As voting closed Sunday night, officials said turnout was high, despite an approaching typhoon, indicating the intense level of public interest the hotly contested campaigns have generated.

The loss by the Liberal Democrats would open the way for the Democratic Party of Japan, headed by Yukio Hatoyama, to oust Prime Minister Taro Aso and establish a new Cabinet, possibly within the next few weeks.

It would also smooth policy debates in parliament, which has been deadlocked since the Democrats and their allies took over the less powerful upper house in 2007.

"The ruling party has betrayed the people over the past four years, driving the economy to the edge of a cliff, building up more than 6 trillion yen ($64.1 billion) in public debt, wasting money, ruining our social security net and widening the gap between the rich and poor," the Democratic Party said in a statement as voting began Sunday.

"We will change Japan," it said.


(AP) A boy stands next to his mother casting her vote in Japan's parliamentary elections at a polling...
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The Democrats have also said they will make Tokyo's diplomacy less U.S.-centric. But Hatoyama, who holds a doctorate in engineering from Stanford University, insists he will not seek dramatic change in Japan's foreign policy, saying the U.S.-Japan alliance would "continue to be the cornerstone of Japanese diplomatic policy."

Hatoyama's party held 112 seats before parliament was dissolved in July. The Democratic Party would only need to win a simple majority of 241 seats in the lower house to assure that it can name the next prime minister.

"We don't know if the Democrats can really make a difference, but we want to give them a chance," Junko Shinoda, 59, a government employee, said after voting at a crowded polling center in downtown Tokyo.

With only two weeks of official campaigning that focused mainly on broadstroke appeals rather than specific policies, many analysts said the elections were not so much about issues as voters' general desire for something new after more than a half century under the Liberal Democrats.

The Democrats are proposing toll-free highways, free high schools, income support for farmers, monthly allowances for job seekers in training, a higher minimum wage and tax cuts. The estimated bill comes to 16.8 trillion yen ($179 billion) if fully implemented starting in fiscal year 2013.

Aso - whose own support ratings have sagged to a dismal 20 percent - repeatedly stressed his party led Japan's rise from the ashes of World War II into one of the world's biggest economic powers and are best equipped to get it out of its current morass.

But the current state of the economy has been a major liability for his party.

Last week, the government reported that the unemployment rate for July hit 5.7 percent - the highest in Japan's post-World War II era - while deflation intensified and families have cut spending because they are insecure about the future.

Making the situation more dire is Japan's rapidly aging demographic - which means more people are on pensions and there is a shrinking pool of taxpayers to support them and other government programs”

“My deal is, if the people in charge are lying about it and have a hidden agenda, then they are bad, not good. WHy would anyone support a dishonest group of people? - Stratd00d
9:24:13 PM
8/25/09


So if Beck is lying to you to promote his (not so) hidden agenda, he'll lose your support?”

“Strat - You can't prove a negative, but you surely can find some record of Van Jones' conviction, some mention of his time in prison? These things are not secrets - they're public record.”

“Here's a little background about the man that you may not know:

He was a self-proclaimed COMMUNIST, ANARCHIST, and BLACK NATIONALIST while he was a law student at Yale Law School. Speaking about his time in jail (he was arrested at a protest), Jones said "I met all these young radical people of color � I mean really radical: communists and anarchists. And it was, like, 'This is what I need to be a part of.' I spent the next ten years of my life working with a lot of those people I met in jail, trying to be a revolutionary."

In the late 1990s, Van Jones was involved in Standing Together to Organize a Revolutionary Movement (STORM), a multi-racial activist collective with Marxist influences.

Source: Wikipedia

I can't find a quote from Jones saying he is no longer a communist, anarchist, or black nationalist.

Since the administration�s �czars� do not go through congressional confirmation, and are therefore not scrutinized or vetted, many Americans have no idea who they are.”

“So if Beck is lying to you to promote his (not so) hidden agenda, he'll lose your support?�
Violi

Absolutely! Will the mainstream media lose your support for not reporting these outragous czars and their radical backgrounds?”

“#&%!$ing #&%!$ strat - you just bounce from one falsehood to another.

White House staff positions are confirmed by the senate. Here is the announcement of his appointment: http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/eop/ceq/press_releases/march_10_2009/”

“Dood you can't even admit it when he said it with his own words...WHEN I WAS IN JAIL. Admit you were wrong, man up.

He's not a Staff member, he's an "advisor". They annouced him but no vetting process took place....zip, zero, zilch, nada

Now you calling me a liar is libel, I believe”

“�Communists work for the establishment of socialism as a necessary transition stage on the road to communism,� wrote John Strachey, a British politician, in The Theory and Practice of Socialism (London: Gollancz, 1936. p. 21.)

"It is impossible to establish communism as the immediate successor to capitalism. It is accordingly proposed to establish socialism as something which we can put in the place of our present decaying capitalism. Hence, communists work for the establishment of socialism as a necessary transition stage on the road to communism."”

“Here is my source strat.

According to Eva Paterson, President of the Equal Justice Society: the week AFTER the Rodney King disturbances, I sent a staff attorney and Van out to be legal monitors at a peaceful march in San Francisco. The local police, perhaps understandably nervous, stopped the march and arrested hundreds of people � including all the legal monitors.

The matter was quickly sorted out; Van and my staff attorney were released within a few hours. All charges against them were dropped. Van was part of a successful class action lawsuit later; the City of San Francisco ultimately compensated him financially for his unjust arrest (a rare outcome).

So the unwarranted arrest at a peaceful march � for which the charges were dropped and for which Van was financially compensated � is the sole basis for the smear that he is some kind of dangerous criminal.


This is the criminal record you keep going on about? A false arrest?”

“stuff.co.nz/world/asia/2816301/Japan-PM-concedes-election-defeat/

Better start telling the Japanese about progressives and socialist now that they will be run by them. You and Glen better gear up with your Maccarthyism Machine and warn the world of the liberal threat.”

“His own words..."When I was In jail", and then he admits to being a communist. That's my source, his own words. You still haven't addressed that or the crazy groups like STORM that he was involved with. That's 2 more off of your list.

I'm going to bed....keep searching the blogs for technicalities to defend these anti-capitolist radicals...

The truth is all I'm interested in. Like it or not, this guy's out there. There are many quotes from him to back up what I say, I'm not making this crap up. Nobody could make this crap up. I honestly don't get why you won't admit it....but I'm goin to bed”

“Please provide support for your assertions that:

1) The Apollo Alliance wrote the stimulus bill.
2) ACORN will receive billions in funding from the stimulus bill.
3) Van Jones has a criminal record.
4) ACORN has been will be? hired to conduct the 2010 census.
(5) Van Jones is currently a communist.�
Violin”

“....but I'm goin to bed”
Stratd00d
9:06:44 PM
8/30/09

Don't forget to check under the bed for communists.”

“Same Ole' Vile, up to his usual 'tricks'. LOL”

“Same Ol' SternO, up to his usual 'tricks'.LOL”

“It's really kind of amazing the similarities between the political situations in Japan and the USA.”

“We couldn't lower ourselves to use their experience to avoid the current depression.”

“If you were like Walmart you could always go lower, Salebo'ed.”

“A lynch mob?

Kinda reminds you of home, eh Stoviet?”

“sucks to be you, dumbO.
*snicker*”