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Hyperbole and hysterics mixed with speculation and extremism. That is no way to fight the good fight Strat. It just makes ya look crazier than a shythouse rat.
Nigal
7:40:28 AM
9/12/09

Well, perhaps if you knew me personally then you'd know that I'm sane and rational. Your play it down moderatism makes you look like a foolish chump that thinks big government control of your life isn't a problem. I'm not hysterical by any means. I'm quite calm, in fact. I'm just not afraid to take a stance and speak my mind. I'm not sure what hyperbole you're referring to but I am extremely educated on these matters and will freely debate you or anyone else, anytime. Namecalling is for children though nigal. I'm starting to see a pattern from you that makes me think you may not be as moderate as you pretend to be. That's your choice but I thought you were more honest than that. Just come out and say what you mean and mean what you say. I try not to speculate. Extreme? oh well...I calls um likes I sees um.

Turn on CSPAN right now and see for yourself what's happening right now in Washington DC.

We're smart
we're pissed
we vote
Stratd00d
12:59:20 PM
9/12/09

I think you might be confusing tyranny with losing. And I feel for you, because I've been there. A few times. In fact, one of them was a bit of a nail-biter. But see, when the guy that you disagree with gets elected, he's probably going to do things you disagree with. He could cut taxes on the wealthy, remove government's oversight capability, invade a country that you thought should not be invaded, but that's not tyranny. That's democracy. See, now you're in the minority. It's supposed to taste like a shít taco.

--John Stewart
kleetn
1:23:57 PM
9/12/09

You sir, are incorrect. The tea party movement is real. Go to CSPAN right now, they're showing it. They interviewed many dempcrats on Beck's show today and minorities as well. Almost every single person said that they have never gotten involved with anything political and are not going to watch this Country go down without a fight. It's our duty.People are tired of both sides spending our childrens futures. Why aren't you? Pretending this is just sour grapes only shows how out of touch the left really is. It will not fade away. That's what they said when it started...when I started this thread. It has grown steadily ever since and will continue to do so. Look at how many people are in front of the capitol right now, this very momnet, as we speak....it's real and it's changing the paradyme. This government is out of control, and Bush is guilty too. I'm done with party affiliations. Both sides are beholden to special interest and full of corruption. Why don't you care about the corruption that surrounds the democrats? Tell us all how it's OK to lie, cheat, and steal our money in the name of partisan politics. Grow a pair and stand up for what is right. Demand honesty, quit pretending it's only the other side with problems. Turn on CSPAN, right now and see for yourdelf whats really happening to our Country. It's an historic day.
Stratd00d
1:36:55 PM
9/12/09

paradyme?
You're right, I am incorrect. His name is spelled "Jon".
kleetn
1:40:39 PM
9/12/09

AS usual, my attempt to tap into a lefty's intellect and integrity was based on the false assumption that you have either....
Stratd00d
1:45:56 PM
9/12/09

Hey, you're the one who sucked up to Dubya ----
Tllt
1:55:27 PM
9/12/09

Dubya made many mistakes but he's a chiorboy compared to Obama who in 215 days has already outspent Bush's 8 years combined.

How was your hike?
Stratd00d
2:00:58 PM
9/12/09


Nothing says freedom like the banner of the slave states.
kleetn
4:33:05 PM
9/12/09

good grief.


Yaknow.... I find it darkly amusing in the extreme that the same citizens who scream about 'tyranny' now are the very same ones who willingly subjugated themselves to the 'Unitary Presidency'.... which in practice was more of a Unitary Vice-presidency....

In fact, they were more like cheerleaders. It's all right here if you want to page back through the archives.

But nevermind that.


Like I always say.... If you can rationalise invading the wrong country, torture, breaking all sorts of prohibitions to illegal search & seizure and all the other mountain of unconstitutional crap from the Bush years, your internal logic already has more holes than that lawyer Cheney shot.

Tllt
7:11:58 PM
9/12/09

good grief.


Yaknow.... I find it darkly amusing in the extreme that the same citizens who scream about 'tyranny' now are the very same ones who willingly subjugated themselves to the 'Unitary Presidency'.... which in practice was more of a Unitary Vice-presidency....

In fact, they were more like cheerleaders. It's all right here if you want to page back through the archives.

But nevermind that.


Like I always say.... If you can rationalise invading the wrong country, torture, breaking all sorts of prohibitions to illegal search & seizure and all the other mountain of unconstitutional crap from the Bush years, your internal logic already has more holes than that lawyer Cheney shot.

Tllt
7:12:02 PM
9/12/09

South Carolina got 5 free scores from Argentina today to beat Georgia 32-31.
last edited: 9/12/09 8:48:47 PM
salebored
9:10:27 PM
9/12/09

That post was so nice I had to hit send twice.

[EOT] [XMIT]

Tllt
9:31:40 PM
9/12/09

Your basic argument of Bush was bad so nevermind what's going on now is just assinine and childish. I always figured you to be more intelectual than that tilt. Guess I was wrong. oh well....on and on and on to the next one......
Stratd00d
9:38:18 PM
9/12/09

Stratd00d
9:40:46 PM
9/12/09

I don't know if I've contracted something from the connie tea bagger on all fours that bit me today or if I'm having flashbacks from reading Al Franken's book, but facts don't seem to stand at attention in a strait line anymore.
salebored
9:47:40 PM
9/12/09

Read it and weep. 2 MILLION citizens!


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1213056/Up-million-march-US-Capitol-protest-Obamas-spending-tea-party-demonstration.html

Up to two million march to US Capitol to protest against Obama's spending in 'tea-party' demonstrationBy Mail Foreign Service
Last updated at 9:39 PM on 12th September 2009
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Up to two million people marched to the U.S. Capitol today, carrying signs with slogans such as "Obamacare makes me sick" as they protested the president's health care plan and what they say is out-of-control spending.
The line of protesters spread across Pennsylvania Avenue for blocks, all the way to the capitol, according to the Washington Homeland Security and Emergency Management Agency.

People were chanting "enough, enough" and "We the People." Others yelled "You lie, you lie!" and "Pelosi has to go," referring to California congresswoman Nancy Pelosi.
Tens of thousands of people converged on Capitol Hill on Saturday to protest against government spending
Demonstrators waved U.S. flags and held signs reading "Go Green Recycle Congress" and "I'm Not Your ATM." Men wore colonial costumes as they listened to speakers who warned of "judgment day" - Election Day 2010.

Richard Brigle, 57, a Vietnam War veteran and former Teamster, came from Michigan. He said health care needs to be reformed - but not according to President Barack Obama's plan.

"My grandkids are going to be paying for this. It's going to cost too much money that we don't have," he said while marching, bracing himself with a wooden cane as he walked.

FreedomWorks Foundation, a conservative organization led by former House of Representatives Majority Leader Dick Armey, organized several groups from across the country for what they billed as a "March on Washington."
Organizers say they built on momentum from the April "tea party" demonstrations held nationwide to protest tax policies, along with growing resentment over the economic stimulus packages and bank bailouts.
US President Barack Obama sports a mustache famously worn by German dictator Adolf Hitler
Demonstrators hold up banners on Capitol Hill in Washington on Saturday
Many protesters said they paid their own way to the event - an ethic they believe should be applied to the government.

They say unchecked spending on things like a government-run health insurance option could increase inflation and lead to economic ruin.

Terri Hall, 45, of Florida, said she felt compelled to become political for the first time this year because she was upset by government spending.

"Our government has lost sight of the powers they were granted," she said. She added that the deficit spending was out of control, and said she thought it was putting the country at risk.
Anna Hayes, 58, a nurse from Fairfax County, stood on the Mall in 1981 for Reagan's inauguration. "The same people were celebrating freedom," she said. "The president was fighting for the people then. I remember those years very well and fondly."
Saying she was worried about "Obamacare," Hayes explained: "This is the first rally I've been to that demonstrates against something, the first in my life. I just couldn't stay home anymore."


The heated demonstrations were organized by a Conservative group called the Tea Party Patriots
Like countless others at the rally, Joan Wright, 78, of Ocean Pines, Md., sounded angry. "I'm not taking this crap anymore," said Wright, who came by bus to Washington with 150 like-minded residents of Maryland's Eastern Shore. "I don't like the health-care [plan]. I don't like the czars. And I don't like the elitists telling us what we should do or eat."
Republican lawmakers also supported the rally.
"Republicans, Democrats and independents are stepping up and demanding we put our fiscal house in order," Rep. Mike Pence, chairman of the House Republican Conference, said.

"I think the overriding message after years of borrowing, spending and bailouts is enough is enough."

Other sponsors of the rally include the Heartland Institute, Americans for Tax Reform and the Ayn Rand Center for Individuals Rights.
Recent polls illustrate how difficult recent weeks have been for a president who, besides tackling health care, has been battling to end a devastatingly deep recession.
Fifty percent approve and 49 percent disapprove of the overall job he is doing as president, compared to July, when those approving his performance clearly outnumbered those who were unhappy with it, 55 percent to 42 percent.
Just 42 percent approve of the president's work on the high-profile health issue.
The poll was taken over five days just before Obama's speech to Congress. That speech reflected Obama's determination to push ahead despite growing obstacles.

"I will not waste time with those who have made the calculation that it's better politics to kill this plan than to improve it," Obama said on Wednesday night. "I won't stand by while the special interests use the same old tactics to keep things exactly the way they are.

"If you misrepresent what's in the plan, we'll call you out. And I will not accept the status quo as a solution."

Prior to Obama's speech before Congress U.S. Capitol Police arrested a man they say tried to get into a secure area near the Capitol with a gun in his car as President Barack Obama was speaking.

Police spokeswoman Sgt. Kimberly Schneider said Thursday that 28-year-old Joshua Bowman of suburban Falls Church, Virginia, was arrested around 8 p.m. Wednesday when Obama was due to speak.


'Parasite-in-chief': The title given to the American President during the demonstrations on Saturday
Bowman's intentions were unclear, police said.

Today's protests imitated the original Boston Tea Party of 1773, when colonists threw three shiploads of taxed tea into Boston Harbour in protest against the British government under the slogan 'No taxation without representation'.

The group first began rising to prominence in April, when the governor of Texas threatened to secede from the union in protest against government spending. Waves of tea party protests have crossed America since.

Today's rally, the largest grouping of fiscal conservatives to march on Washington, comes on the heels of heated town halls held during the congressional August recess when some Democratic lawmakers were confronted, disrupted and shouted down by angry protestors who oppose President Obama's plan to overhaul the health care system.
Stratd00d
9:52:48 PM
9/12/09

Magnitude of the crowd took authorities by suprise
WASHINGTON — A sea of protesters filled the west lawn of the Capitol and spilled onto the National Mall on Saturday in the largest rally against President Obama since he took office, a culmination of a summer-long season of protests that began with opposition to a health care overhaul and grew into a broader dissatisfaction with government.


Protesters in Washington D.C. during a rally on Saturday. More Photos >
On a cloudy and cool day, the demonstrators came from all corners of the country, waving American flags and handwritten signs explaining the root of their frustrations. Their anger stretched well beyond the health care legislation moving through Congress, with shouts of support for gun rights, lower taxes and a smaller government.

But as they sang verse after verse of patriotic hymns like “God Bless America,” sharp words of profane and political criticism were aimed at Mr. Obama and Congress.

Dick Armey, a former House Republican leader whose group Freedomworks helped organize the protest, stood before the crowd and led the rallying cries in nearly the same spot where Mr. Obama took his oath of office eight months ago.

“He pledged a commitment of fidelity to the United States Constitution,” Mr. Armey said, suggesting that Mr. Obama was in violation of what the founding fathers intended the size and scope of the government to be.

“Liar! Liar! Liar! Liar!” the crowd shouted back, echoing the accusation that Representative Joe Wilson, Republican of South Carolina, hurled at the president three days earlier during his address to Congress.

The demonstrators numbered well into the tens of thousands, though the police declined to estimate the size of the crowd. Many came on their own and were not part of an organization or group. But the magnitude of the rally took the authorities by surprise, with throngs of people streaming from the White House to Capitol Hill for more than three hours.

The atmosphere was rowdy at times, with signs and images casting Mr. Obama in a demeaning light. One sign called him the “parasite in chief.” Others likened him to Hitler. Several people held up preprinted signs saying, “Bury Obama Care with Kennedy,” a reference to the Massachusetts senator whose body passed by the Capitol two weeks earlier to be memorialized.

Other signs did not focus on Mr. Obama, but rather on the government at large, promoting gun rights, tallying the national deficit and deploring illegal immigrants living in the United States.

Still, many demonstrators expressed their views without a hint of rage. They said the size of the crowd illustrated that their views were shared by a broader audience.

“I want Congress to be afraid,” said Keldon Clapp, 45, an unemployed marketing representative who recently moved to Tennessee from Connecticut after losing his job. “Like everyone else here, I want them to know that we’re watching what they’re doing. And they do work for us.”

As Mr. Obama traveled to Minnesota on Saturday to rally support for his health care plan, he flew over the assembling crowd in Marine One. The helicopter could be seen flying overhead as the demonstrators marched down Pennsylvania Avenue.

“This is not some kind of radical right-wing group,” Senator Jim DeMint, Republican of South Carolina, said in an interview as dozens of people streamed by him. “I just hope the Congress, the Senate and the president recognize that people are afraid of what’s going on.”

Mr. DeMint and a few Republican legislators were the only party leaders on hand for the demonstration. Republican officials said privately that they were pleased by the turnout but wary of the anger directed at all politicians. And most of those who turned out were not likely to have been Obama voters anyway.

Protesters came by bus, car and airplane, arriving here from Texas and Tennessee, New Mexico and New Hampshire, Ohio and Oregon. The messages on their signs told of an intense distrust of the government, which several people said began long before Mr. Obama took office.

For the most part, Democrats stayed silent on Saturday, with the exception of a small group of counterdemonstrators who gathered behind a roadblock to protest what they called a “right-wing rally.” Many were members of the clergy, who said they were concerned about misinformation propagated by opponents of health care legislation.

“We’d like to have an honest debate,” said Chris Korzen, director of the nonprofit Catholics United. “I don’t see a lot of substance here.”

While there was no shortage of vitriol among protesters, there was also an air of festivity. A band of protesters in colonial gear wended through the crowd, led by a bell ringer in a tricorn hat calling for revolution. A folk singer belting out a protest ballad on a guitar brought cheers.

In conversations with demonstrators, people identified themselves as Republicans, libertarians, independents and former Democrats. Several speakers denounced the Obama administration’s health care plan as “socialism.” A few Confederate flags waved in the air, but there were hundreds of American flags and chants of, “U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.!” A young girl held a sign saying, “Don’t redistribute the wealth of my Barbies.”

Ruth Lobbs, 57, a schoolteacher from Jacksonville, Fla., said she flew to Washington on Saturday to protest how she believes the government has violated the Constitution. She said she did not vote for the president, adding that her anger has been building for years.

“It’s more than Obama — this isn’t a Republican or a Democratic issue,” Ms. Lobbs said as she held a yellow flag that declared, “Don’t Tread on Me.”

“I don’t know if anything will come of this or not,” she said, “but this is a peaceful way of showing our frustration.”

Theo Emery and Ashley Southall contributed reporting.
Stratd00d
10:00:11 PM
9/12/09

So you still don't get it?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/12/AR2009091200971_pf.html

Lashing Out at the Capitol
Tens of Thousands Protest Obama Initiatives and Government Spending

By Emma Brown, James Hohmann and Perry Bacon Jr.
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, September 13, 2009



Tens of thousands of conservative protesters, many complaining that the nation is racing toward socialism, massed outside the U.S. Capitol on Saturday, angrily denouncing President Obama's health-care plan and other initiatives as threats to the Constitution.

The crowd -- loud, animated and sprawling -- gathered at the West Front of the Capitol after a march along Pennsylvania Avenue NW from Freedom Plaza. Invocations of God and former president Ronald Reagan by an array of speakers drew loud cheers that echoed across the Mall. On a windy, overcast afternoon, hundreds of yellow "Don't Tread on Me" flags flapped in the breeze.

"Hell hath no fury like a taxpayer ignored," declared Andrew Moylan, head of government affairs for the National Taxpayers Union, urging protesters to call their representatives. The demonstrators roared their approval.

"We own the dome!" they chanted, pointing at the Capitol.

The demonstrators are part of a loose-knit movement that is galvanizing anti-Obama sentiment across the country, stoking a populist dimension to the Republican Party, which has struggled to find its voice since the 2008 elections.

With Democrats in control of Congress, battling the president legislatively has been difficult. But after a spring of anti-tax rallies and summer health-care protests proved to be effective, a growing number of GOP leaders are dropping their wariness and seeing the political possibilities of latching onto this freewheeling coalition. Others are cautious about embracing views that can be seen as extremist.

The protests in recent months come as Obama is trying to regain control of the health-care debate and bolster public confidence in his leadership.

Authorities in the District do not give official crowd estimates, but Saturday's throng appeared to number in the many tens of thousands. A sea of people surrounded the Capitol reflecting pool, spilling across Third Street and along the Mall. The sound system did not reach far enough for people at the edges of the rally to hear the speakers onstage.

"You will not spend the money of our children and our grandchildren to feed an overstuffed government," Rep. Tom Price (R-Ga.) said of the Obama administration, drawing raucous applause.

"Our history is decorated by those who endured the burden of defending freedom," Price said. "Now a new generation of patriots has emerged. You are those patriots."

The group's sponsors included FreedomWorks, a Washington-based group headed by former House majority leader Richard Armey (R-Tex.), and the groups Tea Party Patriots and ResistNet. They and others involved in the rally comprise a loose coalition of conservative groups that helped organize the health-care and anti-tax demonstrations in the spring and summer.

"Health care is not listed anywhere in the Constitution," said Brian Burnell, 45, who owns an insurance company on Maryland's Eastern Shore. His placard read, "How Is That Hopey Changey Thing Workin' Out For Ya?"

"You want socialism?" said Susan Clark, a District resident marching with a bullhorn. "Go to Russia!"

The huge turnout indicated the growing frustration with Obama among conservative activists and showed that his nationally televised speech Wednesday did little to move his political opponents on health care.

Although it is unclear whether the demonstrators represent a large segment of voters or even of Republicans, Saturday's march illustrated that activists, some of whom are not enthusiastic about the GOP, have been galvanized.

The White House declined to comment on the demonstration, but Democrats said the rally and other protests in recent months represent a small minority of voters and will not slow Obama's proposals.

"There is a lot of intensity on the far right to defeat the president's agenda, but I am not sure that holding up signs that say we have to bury health reform with Senator Kennedy will go over well with moderates and independent voters," said Doug Thornell, an adviser to Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.).

Saturday's demonstrators spanned the spectrum of conservative anger at Obama, including opponents of his tax, spending and health-care plans and protesters who question his U.S. citizenship and compare his administration to the Nazi regime.

Most signs were handmade: "Socialism is UnAmerican," "King George Didn't Listen Either!" "Terrorists Won't Destroy America, Congress Will!" and "The American Dream R.I.P." Many protesters carried the now-familiar poster of Obama made up to look like the Joker, captioned "Socialism."

"Nobody's standing up for us, so we have to stand up for ourselves," said Phil Chancey, 66, who drove to Washington from Clinton, Tenn.

"We're all endangered!" shouted Dave Rue, 67, a retired Mobil Oil employee who traveled to Washington from New Jersey. "We're endangered because they're pushing socialism on us."

Some came to protest what they see as government interference with gun ownership. Shaun Bryant, 40, a leadership trainer, was among eight people who flew in from Salt Lake City. They fashioned a sign with a drawing of an AR-15 assault rifle and the words, "We came unarmed from Montana and Utah . . . this time!"

Debbie Wilson, 51, of Apollo Beach, Fla., flew to Washington a week ago, driving to Colonial Williamsburg with her husband for sightseeing before the rally.

"We want our country to go back to the roots of doing what our Founding Fathers wanted us to do -- less government in every aspect of my life," she said. "We walked the streets of Williamsburg, and it felt like we were learning how to be a patriot."

Dozens of signs mentioned Rep. Joe Wilson (R-S.C.), who heckled Obama during a Wednesday night speech to Congress. Dee Meredith, 62, of Callao, Va., said she had never heard of Wilson before he shouted at the president, "You lie!" At the rally, Meredith waved a placard: "Thank You Joe Wilson."

"We're the forgotten people," she said, "and he's given us a voice."

When Armey, speaking to the crowd, referred to Obama having pledged to uphold the Constitution, the protesters shouted at the president in absentia: "Liar! Liar!"

Jeff Mapps, 29, a stagehand and labor union member from South Philadelphia, left home about 6 a.m. to attend the protest. He said he had not been involved in previous demonstrations but that he watches Fox News host Glenn Beck "all the time" and wanted to be part of an event that he thinks will be historic. Beck had drummed up support for the march.

Holding a sign that said "Preserve, Protect, Defend" on a Red Line Metro train packed with conservative activists, Mapps fretted over a "blatant disregard for the Constitution."

"We've been watching it for six to eight months," he said. "It was finally an opportunity to get involved. It's been boiling over. . . . It's not just about health care. It's about so much more than that."

Anna Hayes, 58, a nurse from Fairfax County, stood on the Mall in 1981 for Reagan's inauguration. "The same people were celebrating freedom," she said. "The president was fighting for the people then. I remember those years very well and fondly."

Deriding what she called "Obamacare," Hayes said: "This is the first rally I've been to that demonstrates against something, the first in my life. I just couldn't stay home anymore."

Staff writers Joel Achenbach, Paul Duggan, Dan Eggen and Anne E. Kornblut contributed to this report.
Stratd00d
10:03:48 PM
9/12/09

According to luck that .60%(2 million) is exactly the number of IQ<60 in the 330 million population on dah bell curve.
salebored
10:06:32 PM
9/12/09

why do you even bother salebored? I mean honestly, who throws a shoe?
Stratd00d
10:14:50 PM
9/12/09

ACORN is corrupt
Former Leftist Activist, Turned FBI Informant, Pulls Back the Curtain On ACORN
by Brandon Darby

http://biggovernment.com/

I first experienced ACORN in post-Katrina New Orleans. I was part of a relief organization, Common Ground Relief, which had been delivering much needed aid to the 9th Ward, an area that had been hit especially hard by the flood waters and by neglect. Rumors immediately began surfacing, questioning our motives and intentions. I was very confused by these rumors. Who was behind them? How could anyone question the vital work we were doing in the community? We lived and worked in the 9th Ward. We suspended our regular lives and, in many cases, left our families to travel to New Orleans to help those affected by Katrina and poverty. We slept on dirty plywood floors and shared everything we had with the residents. Most of us were white. Was our skin color the issue? I knew from personal experience that the majority of the Black 9th ward residents didn’t care what color our skin was. It took me awhile to get over the hurt I felt at such allegations and to find out where they were coming from.



In the following weeks, I was made aware of the fact that ACORN had reopened its New Orleans office (several months after the storm). Various groups from around the city informed me that Acorn was upset with us because we were in “their” community and had not sought approval from ACORN to operate there. I was told that ACORN said that we were “privileged white people who had come to a Black community as saviors and we refused to work with local Black leadership.”

The more I pondered the matter, the more I realized what was happening. As usual in marginalized and impoverished communities, a small group of radical self-proclaimed leaders was insisting that all local aid and relief came through them—even if they were AWOL for several months. Though the majority of residents either hadn’t heard of ACORN or simply disagreed with their politics- ACORN insisted that they were THE Black leaders. This was upsetting to me. Sure, the local pastor we worked most closely with was Black; but that didn’t matter to ACORN. It was as if Pastor Johnson didn’t count because he didn’t evoke the name of Elijah Mohammed or Malcolm X. It was as if Pastor Johnson didn’t count because he didn’t submit to ACORN’s mandate that ACORN was the sole leadership of Black New Orleanians.


As then director of Common Ground Relief’s 9th Ward project, I was warned by many that ACORN would ruin me politically if I didn’t submit to their leadership. I believed in what I was doing and how I was doing it. I refused to submit. The political fallout was almost unbearable. I just kept my eyes on meeting the needs of the community. When confronted by adherents to ACORN’s brand of race analysis, I pointed out that ACORN was not there immediately after the storm, so I could not have sought their leadership even if I had wanted to.

Over the following years, that particular style of political attack was prominent in New Orleans. Anytime that ACORN was displeased, the other party was deemed a racist. If the other party disagreed with the label or with ACORN’s agenda- they were met with “of course you feel that way. You are a racist.” Though it is clearly woefully inaccurate and unethical to use such an accusation as a political attack and as a means of shutting down philosophical debate and discourse, some at ACORN didn’t let that stop them. I refused to submit to it. I believed in listening to the majority of the community, who were desperate for our help, and not only to the self-proclaimed leaders. I paid a dear price for it.

I returned to Texas after a couple of years adminst the political quagmire of post-Katrina New Orleans. My experience there with various groups was educational and life-changing, though some of these groups concerned me. Eventually I began to see some of them as dangerous and deceitful about their missions. This, along with a growing appreciation of my country helped lead me to work with the FBI’s Joint Terrorism Task Force.

I was as proud of this new era in my life as I was of my time in New Orleans. I had the privilege of participating in efforts where lives were saved; both in the United States and in Israel. While working undercover with the FBI at the Republican National Convention in Minnesota, I helped to uncover a bomb plot. Two men had made firebombs with a homemade napalm mixture of gasoline and oil. Their initial targets were Republican delegates. These bomb-makers (domestic terrorists) later decided to attack a staging area for the Secret Service and other law-enforcement agencies. Fortunately, they were stopped and arrested.

I was asked, and agreed, to testify against them. As was expected, the more radical elements of the media began to attack both me as an individual and the FBI as a whole. One of the men accused plead guilty; the other hired an expensive defense attorney and concocted a story about the FBI building these bombs to “set up left-wing activists” and stop dissent. But once the facts became clear, the defense changed their story and instead tried to blame the FBI for ”influencing” the terrorists. Thankfully, after one hung jury and many months of intense media attacks against me, the other bomb-maker (domestic terrorist) decided to come clean and admitted to the judge that he had invented the whole story.

What does any of this have to do with ACORN? I wondered the same thing on January 31st of 2009 when I was reading an ACORN blog that is run by Wade Rathke (the man who claims credit for founding ACORN). He devoted an entire page to my work with the FBI. How did he describe the FBI’s effort and success in preventing innocent Americans, local police and federal agents from being burned, maimed and/or possibly killed by firebombs? He wrote that it’s “one thing to disagree, but it’s a whole different thing to rat on folks.” That is what ACORN’s founder had to say about my role in stopping a bomb plot.

I was even more shocked as I continued reading the article. ACORN’s “founder” went on to mention that another self-proclaimed “radical” activist who had worked closely with him was also involved in my story. Her name is Lisa Fithian. I first encountered Ms. Fithian in New Orleans. She came to town after Common Ground Relief had started operations. She assumed a position of prominence and continuously challenged my work and leadership. During the RNC bombing trial, she cooperated with the defense of the bomb plotters and led media attacks on me and the FBI.

Ms. Fithian has been quoted in various mainstream news articles as saying, “Nonviolence is a strategy. Civil disobedience is a tactic,” and “Direct action is a strategy. Throwing rocks is a tactic.” She is also quoted as stating that “When people ask me, ‘What do you do?’ I say, ‘I create crisis’, because crisis is that edge where change is possible.”

ACORN receives tens of millions of dollars from taxpayers to promote their agenda. Free speech is sacred, of course. However, it is clear that ACORN has made a practice of blurring the lines between free speech and tax-payer-funded activism. Fortunately, our federal government is adept at investigating and identifying the misuse of federal funds. It will be interesting in the near future to see how Mr. Rathke and his ACORN associates stand up to the same scrutiny they have focused on our military, the FBI and other governmental groups and agencies.



Holt sh1t!
Stratd00d
10:29:14 PM
9/12/09

HUD Giving ACORN Millions
by Publius



After Census Severs Ties, ACORN May Face Scrutiny of Housing Grants
ACORN Housing Corporation received $1.6 million in federal money to provide housing services to low-income communities in this fiscal year

Conservatives have cheered the Census Bureau’s decision to sever ties with ACORN because it had lost confidence in the group, but the hidden-camera videos that prompted ACORN to fire four workers this week could raise more questions about the federal funding ACORN receives for housing outreach.

ACORN Housing Corporation received $1.6 million to provide housing services to low-income communities in this fiscal year, ending Sept. 30, according to USASpending.gov, a federal government Web site for tracking government grants.

The Department of Housing and Urban Development Grants has given $8.2 million to ACORN in the years between 2003 and 2006, as well as $1.6million to ACORN affiliates.

HUD could not be reached for comment.

The hidden-camera videos, released this week, showed workers in two separate ACORN housing offices apparently helping a couple posing as a pimp and prostitute evade the IRS and apply for an illegal housing loan for a brothel. A 25-year-old independent filmmaker, James O’Keefe, posed as the pimp in the undercover expose, which was conceived by a friend, 20-year-old Hannah Giles, who posed as a prostitute.

It wasn’t immediately clear whether the offices shown in the videos had received any of ACORN’s federal grant money for housing services.

The Census Bureau notified ACORN on Friday in a letter that it is severing all ties with the group for all work having to do with the 2010 census
Stratd00d
10:34:15 PM
9/12/09

Funny how they are so desperate for attention that they use the subject line to circumvent the ignore function.
Tllt
6:45:05 AM
9/13/09

'“why do you even bother salebored? I mean honestly, who throws a shoe'

He's out of jail and they have given him a four bedroom home and all kinds of glory. He should be your hero, bagger.
last edited: 9/13/09 6:43:22 AM
salebored
7:03:33 AM
9/13/09

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."[1]

'The Pledge of Allegiance was written in 1892 by Francis Bellamy (1855-1931), a Baptist minister, a Christian socialist, and the cousin of socialist utopian novelist Edward Bellamy (1850-1898)'

Hand over heart now. Get out your divider.
last edited: 9/13/09 7:26:59 AM
salebored
7:44:48 AM
9/13/09





The Ramazan Baydan Ducati Model 271

Known the world over as "The Bye Bye Bush Shoe"

(for historical accuracy, you'll want it in black)






As he hurled the first shoe, Muntadhar al-Zaidi was heard to say “This is the farewell kiss, you dog.”

You might have difficulty obtaining the shoes, but it’s also available on a t-shirt in a
variety of styles and colors with an image of the shoe and al-Zaidi's quote in Arabic:





The Turkish cobbler was quoted as saying "It’s a pretty
chunky shoe. I was surprised at how well it flew."


Tllt
8:04:22 AM
9/13/09

Obama and the left love big corpos
Big Firms, Little Competition Mark Federal Stimulus Deals

[url] http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125271679727405411.html#mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLTopStories[/url]


By LOUISE RADNOFSKY
WASHINGTON -- The biggest recipients so far of the federal contracts awarded with stimulus money are large companies that faced little competition for the funds.

Most of the money that has flowed from the $787 billion stimulus plan since it was passed six months ago has gone to the states. But about 22,000 federal contracts with a total value of around $12 billion have been signed with companies, according to a public database of the deals. Companies faced no competition in about a fifth of the dollars and almost all of the contracts agreed to so far have had four bidders or fewer, the records show.

The reported contracts include millions of dollars for big-name food, drug and auto companies. Del Monte Foods Co. and Hormel Food Corp.'s Jennie-O Turkey unit are providing supplies for food pantries, and so are private-label firms such as Lakeside Foods. Drug makers GlaxoSmithKline PLC, Merck & Co., Novartis AG and a unit of Sanofi Aventis Group are supplying extra vaccines for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Chrysler Group LLC, Ford Motor Co. and General Motors Co. are selling hybrids and other fuel-efficient vehicles to the General Services Administration for the federal fleet.

The database also includes details of goods and services, from tree-thinning and cables to uniforms and advertising. About a fifth of the contracts were awarded to small vendors, according to the Small Business Administration.

The single biggest chunk of the money going to companies -- about $4 billion -- has been doled out to speed cleanup at Cold War-era nuclear sites. The money has flowed to those companies quickly, in part because the Department of Energy was already working with them on the projects.

The biggest recipient so far is Savannah River Nuclear Solutions, a management corporation created to handle cleanup at the South Carolina site, which has $1.28 billion of contracts. The corporation's partners include Fluor Corp., Northrop Grumman Corp. and Honeywell International Inc. URS Corp., Energy Solutions and CH2M Hill are among the companies carrying out similar work in Hanford, Wa.

The $4 billion in nuclear-cleanup contracts translates into 5,100 jobs created and 1,967 saved, according to the Energy Department's Office of Environmental Management. The department has an initial estimate that its $6 billion in nuclear-cleanup funding will create or save 10,000 jobs for two and a half years.

The cleanup companies are creating jobs for workers who don't have special skills, as well as professionals and unionized construction workers.

"There are some jobs that are for specialists, but there are many jobs that are for individuals who are willing to be trained," said Inés Triay, assistant secretary for environmental management. "We have a lot of indications that many people are coming to these jobs from unemployment status."

At the Hanford site, one of the largest groups of new hires is 30 radiological-control technicians, said John Britton, a spokesman for Washington River Protection Solutions, one of the joint ventures handling the work. They are all recent high-school graduates or career changers under the age of 35 who are finishing on-the-job training and earning about $20 an hour to learn how to keep the rest of the cleanup workers safe. They were recruited through ads in regional newspapers and fought off 470 other applicants to land the jobs.



Printed in The Wall Street Journal, page A4
Stratd00d
8:17:20 AM
9/13/09

"under God" was officially incorporated into the Pledge of Allegiance during the witch hunts of the 1950s after being promoted by the Knights of Columbus.
Tllt
8:17:54 AM
9/13/09

and Haliburton....

and Blackwater....

and the Illuminaties....

and the Jews.....


and Fran Tarkington....
Stratd00d
8:28:11 AM
9/13/09

Ignore this....

Stratd00d
9:23:11 AM
9/13/09

why do you even bother Stratd00d? I mean honestly, who throws a shoe?
kleetn
9:38:52 AM
9/13/09

why do you even bother Stratd00d? I mean honestly, who throws a shoe?
kleetn
9:38:59 AM
9/13/09

why do you even bother Stratd00d? I mean honestly, who throws a shoe?
kleetn
9:39:04 AM
9/13/09

why do you even bother Stratd00d? I mean honestly, who throws a shoe?
kleetn
9:39:11 AM
9/13/09

why do you even bother Stratd00d? I mean honestly, who throws a shoe?
kleetn
9:39:18 AM
9/13/09

why do you even bother Stratd00d? I mean honestly, who throws a shoe?
kleetn
9:39:25 AM
9/13/09

Hummus Wrap
By MARTHA ROSE SHULMAN

Hummus is a great filling for a vegetarian wrap. You can buy hummus in many grocery stores, but nothing can beat hummus you make at home. It takes no time at all to make this version with canned chickpeas.

For the hummus:

1 to 2 garlic cloves, to taste; halved, green shoots removed

1 can chickpeas, drained and rinsed

1/2 teaspoon ground cumin

Salt to taste

3 to 4 tablespoons freshly squeezed lemon juice, to taste

2 to 3 tablespoons plain low-fat yogurt, as needed

2 tablespoons extra virgin olive oil

3 tablespoons sesame tahini

For each wrap:

1 large flour tortilla or whole wheat wrap

2 leaves romaine lettuce, ribs cut away

1/8 red pepper, cut into thin strips

2 tablespoons cucumber, cut in julienne

Fresh mint leaves (optional)

1. Turn on a food processor fitted with the steel blade, and drop in the garlic cloves. Process until they are chopped and adhere to the sides of the bowl. Scrape down the sides of the bowl. Add the remaining ingredients, and process until very smooth. Taste and adjust seasonings.

2. For each wrap, warm a large flour tortilla for about 10 seconds in the microwave or over a burner, just until flexible. Lay it on your work surface and cover with lettuce leaves, leaving a two-inch border all the way around. Place 3 heaped tablespoons hummus (about 1/4 cup) on top of the lettuce on the bottom half of the tortilla. Top with the red pepper, the cucumber and a few leaves of mint if desired.

3. Fold the bottom edge of the tortilla over the filling. Fold in the sides, then roll up, squeezing the tortilla so that the roll is compact. Place the roll on a piece of plastic wrap. Fold in the sides of the plastic over the ends of the wrap, and roll up tightly to secure. Refrigerate for at least five minutes and for as long as 24 hours.

Yield: 1 3/4 cups hummus. Enough for six or seven wraps.

Advance preparation: The hummus will keep for three or four days in the refrigerator. It will become more pungent. The wrap can be made a day ahead.
kleetn
9:43:31 AM
9/13/09




Tllt
10:21:12 AM
9/13/09

We gotta realllllyyy good shoe for tonight.
salebored
10:40:24 AM
9/13/09

I saw the Ed Sullivan broom stick for sale on Ebay.
MarkO
11:42:46 AM
9/13/09

Stratd00d
3:42:06 PM
9/13/09

ACORN scandal hits the UK
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/6184808/Group-once-linked-to-Barack-Obama-taped-giving-advice-to-brothel-owners.html

Group once linked to Barack Obama taped giving advice to 'brothel owners'
The US Census Bureau has broken links with the controversial community group Acorn, once a close ally of President Barack Obama, after it supported a purported brothel owner with a stable of underage prostitutes.

By Toby Harnden in Washington
Published: 9:19PM BST 13 Sep 2009

US President Barack Obama has accused Republicans of cynically trying to kill off his flagship domestic policy of health care reform just to cripple his young administration Photo: GETTY
Acorn employees were taped giving advice on tax avoidance and employment of 13-year-old illegal immigrants to Right-wing activists posing as brothel owners.

"It is clear that Acorn's affiliation with the 2010 census promotion has caused sufficient concern in the general public, has indeed become a distraction from our mission, and may even become a discouragement to public cooperation, negatively impacting 2010 census efforts," said Robert Groves, the census director.
The Association of Community Organisations for Reform Now - is a poverty action group with over 400,00 members that pushes for better housing, government grants and voters registration.

The group became a controversial 2008 election issue after investigations showed that employees submitted dozens of false voter registration forms, including some with names such as Mickey Mouse.

Mr Obama, however, vigorously defended Acorn, saying last year: "I come out of a grassroots organising background.

"I've been fighting alongside Acorn on issues you care about my entire career. Even before I was an elected official, when I ran Project Vote voter registration drive in Illinois, Acorn was smack dab in the middle of it, and we appreciate your work."

Bertha Lewis, Acorn's chief organiser, said the sting was an attempt to smear Mr Obama. "It is no coincidence that the most recent attacks have been launched just when health care reform is gaining traction."

She added: "We are the boogeyman for the Right wing and its echo chambers."

Republicans had become increasingly critical of the census's ties with Acorn in conducting the 2010 census, which carried major political ramifications because it helps determine the allocation of congressional districts.

Activists James O'Keefe and Hannah Giles posed as a pimp and a prostitute and used a hidden camera to film themselves being advised by Acorn employees in Baltimore.
Stratd00d
6:30:12 PM
9/13/09

Stratd00d
6:43:23 PM
9/13/09


Looks like Dick's Armey was much smaller than Beckkk told you it was, strat:



Pete Piringer, public affairs officer for the D.C. Fire and Emergency Department, said the local government no longer provides official crowd estimates because they can become politicized. But the day of the rally, Piringer unofficially told one reporter that he thought between 60,000 and 75,000 people had shown up.

“It was in no way an official estimate,” he said.

We asked Piringer whether there were enough protesters to fill the National Mall, as depicted in the photograph.

“It was an impressive crowd,” he said. But after marching down Pennsylvania Avenue to the Capitol, the crowd “only filled the Capitol grounds, maybe up to Third Street,” he said.

Yet the photograph so widely posted showed the crowd sprawling all the way to the Washington Monument, which is bordered by 15th and and 17th Streets.

There’s another problem with the photograph: It doesn’t include the National Museum of the American Indian, a building located at the corner of Fourth Street and Independence Avenue that opened on Sept. 14, 2004. (Looking at the photograph, the building should be in the upper right hand corner of the National Mall, next to the Air and Space Museum.) That means the picture was taken before the museum opened exactly five years ago. So clearly the photo doesn’t show the “tea party” crowd from the Sept. 12 protest.

Also worth noting are the cranes in front of the Smithsonian Museum of Natural History. According to Randall Kremer, the museum’s director of public affairs, “The last time cranes were in front was in the 1990s when the IMAX theater was being built.”


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/sep/14/tea-party-photo-shows-large-crowd-different-event/




I'm sorry but you're still spreading lies. I'm pretty sure you believe tham, but they're still lies.
vioLin
5:20:19 PM
9/14/09

Max Blumenthal's Unauthorized 9.12 Teabagger Tour:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UASS1qFAIQ8
viOLiN
5:19:38 AM
9/15/09

I never bought into the big numbers he was throwing around, but I am still pretty impressed anytime you can get conservatives to rally.
hyway
5:38:04 AM
9/15/09

One protestor introduced his family.

"I'd like you to meet my Wife and my Aunt," he said.

But there was only one woman standing there ----

Perhaps other similar situations contributed to the substantantial overcount.

Tllt
5:44:45 AM
9/15/09

Them Tea Bagger shore had themselfs a rally.
markO
5:47:41 AM
9/15/09

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