WE SURROUND THEM!

“US SURROUND THEY!”

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Area Man Passionate Defender Of What He Imagines Constitution To Be
November 14, 2009 | Issue 45•46

ESCONDIDO, CA—Spurred by an administration he believes to be guilty of numerous transgressions, self-described American patriot Kyle Mortensen, 47, is a vehement defender of ideas he seems to think are enshrined in the U.S. Constitution and principles that brave men have fought and died for solely in his head.

"Our very way of life is under siege," said Mortensen, whose understanding of the Constitution derives not from a close reading of the document but from talk-show pundits, books by television personalities, and the limitless expanse of his own colorful imagination. "It_s time for true Americans to stand up and protect the values that make us who we are."

According to Mortensen—an otherwise mild-mannered husband, father, and small-business owner—the most serious threat to his fanciful version of the 222-year-old Constitution is the attempt by far-left "traitors" to strip it of its religious foundation.

"Right there in the preamble, the authors make their priorities clear: _one nation under God,_" said Mortensen, attributing to the Constitution a line from the Pledge of Allegiance, which itself did not include any reference to a deity until 1954. "Well, there_s a reason they put that right at the top."

"Men like Madison and Jefferson were moved by the ideals of Christianity, and wanted the United States to reflect those values as a Christian nation," continued Mortensen, referring to the "Father of the Constitution," James Madison, considered by many historians to be an atheist, and Thomas Jefferson, an Enlightenment-era thinker who rejected the divinity of Christ and was in France at the time the document was written. "The words on the page speak for themselves."

According to sources who have read the nation_s charter, the U.S. Constitution and its 27 amendments do not contain the word "God" or "Christ."

Mortensen said his admiration for the loose assemblage of vague half-notions he calls the Constitution has only grown over time. He believes that each detail he has pulled from thin air—from prohibitions on sodomy and flag-burning, to mandatory crackdowns on immigrants, to the right of citizens not to have their hard-earned income confiscated in the form of taxes—has contributed to making it the best framework for governance "since the Ten Commandments."

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“Me posted it, me didn"t say it, numbscull”
stratd00d
5:24:54 PM
11/12/09

him didnt say you said it. him said you posted it, numbskull!”

“and buy a dictionary. jesus. SCULL? REALLY?”

“see, theres one for free!”

“The Unanimous Declaration
of the Thirteen United States of America


When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of natures God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. --Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his assent to laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his governors to pass laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of representation in the legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved representative houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the legislative powers, incapable of annihilation, have returned to the people at large for their exercise; the state remaining in the meantime exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavored to prevent the population of these states; for that purpose obstructing the laws for naturalization of foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migration hither, and raising the conditions of new appropriations of lands.

He has obstructed the administration of justice, by refusing his assent to laws for establishing judiciary powers.

He has made judges dependent on his will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, standing armies without the consent of our legislature.

He has affected to render the military independent of and superior to civil power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his assent to their acts of pretended legislation:

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment for any murders which they should commit on the inhabitants of these states:

For cutting off our trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing taxes on us without our consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of trial by jury:

For transporting us beyond seas to be tried for pretended offenses:


For abolishing the free system of English laws in a neighboring province, establishing therein an arbitrary government, and enlarging its boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule in these colonies:

For taking away our charters, abolishing our most valuable laws, and altering fundamentally the forms of our governments:

For suspending our own legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated government here, by declaring us out of his protection and waging war against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burned our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large armies of foreign mercenaries to complete the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of cruelty and perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow citizens taken captive on the high seas to bear arms against their country, to become the executioners of their friends and brethren, or to fall themselves by their hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavored to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian savages, whose known rule of warfare, is undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these oppressions we have petitioned for redress in the most humble terms: our repeated petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have we been wanting in attention to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, enemies in war, in peace friends.

We, therefore, the representatives of the United States of America, in General Congress, assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the name, and by the authority of the good people of these colonies, solemnly publish and declare, that these united colonies are, and of right ought to be free and independent states; that they are absolved from all allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the state of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as free and independent states, they have full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, and to do all other acts and things which independent states may of right do. And for the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

New Hampshire: Josiah Bartlett, William Whipple, Matthew Thornton

Massachusetts: John Hancock, Samual Adams, John Adams, Robert Treat Paine, Elbridge Gerry

Rhode Island: Stephen Hopkins, William Ellery

Connecticut: Roger Sherman, Samuel Huntington, William Williams, Oliver Wolcott

New York: William Floyd, Philip Livingston, Francis Lewis, Lewis Morris

New Jersey: Richard Stockton, John Witherspoon, Francis Hopkinson, John Hart, Abraham Clark

Pennsylvania: Robert Morris, Benjamin Rush, Benjamin Franklin, John Morton, George Clymer, James Smith, George Taylor, James Wilson, George Ross

Delaware: Caesar Rodney, George Read, Thomas McKean

Maryland: Samuel Chase, William Paca, Thomas Stone, Charles Carroll of Carrollton

Virginia: George Wythe, Richard Henry Lee, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Harrison, Thomas Nelson, Jr., Francis Lightfoot Lee, Carter Braxton

North Carolina: William Hooper, Joseph Hewes, John Penn

South Carolina: Edward Rutledge, Thomas Heyward, Jr., Thomas Lynch, Jr., Arthur Middleton

Georgia: Button Gwinnett, Lyman Hall, George Walton”

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“Weak dollar no quick fix for narrowing trade gap

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091113/ap_on_bi_go_ec_fi/us_economy

Thank you President Obama for change that we can believe in....”

“Campaign Contributions of Post-war Contractors
From 1990 through fiscal year 2002
Contractor Contributions


General Electric Company
$8,843,884
Vinnell Corporation (Northrop Grumman)
$8,517,247
BearingPoint Inc.
$4,949,139
Science Applications International Corp.
$4,704,909
Fluor Corp.
$3,624,173
Bechtel Group Inc.
$3,310,102
Kellogg, Brown & Root (Halliburton)
$2,379,792
American President Lines Ltd.
$2,185,303
Dell Marketing L.P.
$1,774,971
Parsons Corp.
$1,403,508
DynCorp (Computer Sciences Corp.)
$1,218,944
TECO Ocean Shipping Co.
$1,217,587
Washington Group International
$1,185,232
United Defense Industries, L.P.
$1,076,006
Unisys Corporation
$626,239
Readiness Management Support LC (Johnson Controls Inc.)
$464,995
Tetra Tech Inc.
$223,770
Louis Berger Group
$212,456
Liberty Shipping Group Ltd.
$136,560
Perini Corporation
$119,000
Ocean Bulkships Inc.
$95,200
Kroll Inc.
$90,025
Raytheon Aerospace LLC
$89,645
MZM Inc.
$78,751
Sealift Inc.
$77,374
Sodexho Inc.
$25,632
Chemonics International Inc.
$24,350
Landstar Express America Inc.
$21,605
Stevedoring Services of America
$18,675
Abt Associates Inc.
$14,600
Anteon International Corporation
$10,575
Creative Associates International Inc.
$10,300
Camp Dresser & McKee Inc.
$9,900
Mediterranean Shipping Company
$9,375
EGL Eagle Global Logistics
$7,660
World Fuel Services Corp.
$7,100
DHS Logistics Company
$5,500
Development Alternatives Inc.
$4,647
International Resources Group
$3,830
PAE Government Services Inc.
$3,000
International American Products Inc.
$2,500
Contrack International Inc.
$2,000
Research Triangle Institute
$1,950
Ronco Consulting Corporation
$1,750
John S. Connor Inc.
$1,750
USA Environmental Inc.
$1,450
Force 3
$1,050
EOD Technology Inc.
$670
University of Nebraska at Omaha
$650
Zapata Engineering
$500
Red River Computer Company
$300
Logenix International L.L.C.
$250

We are surrounded.
last edited: 11/15/09 9:28:08 AM”

“in your own words, what is your point, strat?”

“My point is that the Founding Fathers were very clear on the role of our Creator in the founding of this Nation adn if you read the document carefully there is no way to deny that. Our rights come from God, not from any government.Furthurmore, the COnstitution is about limits put on the Government, negative liberties that outline what they can not do to we the people, who surround them.”

“what passages do you use to support your position?”

“Which of the Founding Fathers were fundamentalists?
Reference to God can be interpreted different ways by different people. Just like, let_s say....hmmmm, the Bible.”

“If that makes you feel better, then just keep telling yourself that....”

“Many cultures believe that a deity "gave" them exclusive rights over all other humans on the planet.

It is a primitive notion and a very human vice.

Since before recorded history this attitude has justified murder, rape, torture and thievery.

Justification for those crimes are found in the bible.”

“Im not about to get into a religious argument
with you or anyone else because thats your deal if you dont believe. I dont care and I dont judge you for it, although it seems to me that you judge others fo being believers.

Again, my point is that the founders were clear that they believed Devine Providence played a crucial role in the creation of this nation and that they based the rules they set up on that belief.”

“what passages do you use to support your position?”

“The first sentance -"...the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of natures God entitle them"

The first sentance in the second paragraph-"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness..."

The last sentance in the last paragraph-"And for the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor."

I am particularly drawn to the last little phrase because it perfectly fits into the intented theme of this thread. That nothing is more important and I personally am willing to lose everything for this nation


"we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor. "”

“dont get snippy. do you have a problem being asked to back up your claims?

as long as you dont use those passages to insist to insist that the founding fathers intended us to be a Christian nation, then you will get no argument from me.”

“insist to insist?

Who says that?

Ayways, they put in the bill of rights the freedom of religion so no, I dont believe that is the case. They were however, for the most part, intensly religious and Christian.”

“insist to insist?

Who says that?

people who make typos...uh i was distracted....ufc....sun in my eyes...

They were however, for the most part, intensly religious and Christian.”

so?”

“They can_t all be The Chosen People so they_re just going to have to duke it out.


Got a handy list of health insurance company campaign contributions? That_d be timely.

(we already know they bankrolled Dick Armey_s Teabagger operation)”

“I am glad fuego is still alive and well on TT
:-)”

“Not true stratdood.

Jefferson was attacked as an atheist during his Presidential campaign. He thought that much of the Bible was invented and went so far as to compile his own version that omitted all references to miracles and the divinity of Christ. He spoke of his task as separating diamonds from the dung heap. Try to get elected today with that attitude.

Many of the founders were Deists who rejected organized religion but believed in a god. Our founders were by and large the product of the Enlightenment - a time when reason was embraced over the teachings of Christianity or other religions.

Make of it what you want.
last edited: 11/16/09 4:02:59 AM”

“Money can be a religion and one that seems to always find the top of the stack, of religions that is.”

“Violin, I dont think many of them were dentists. Washington only had 2 teeth when he took office”

“Not true either.

He only had one natural tooth left.”

“Do you get splinters from wooden teeth?”

“No violin, one fell out after he took office.

UNSHUN:
Rosey, only if your old lady isnt careful....
RESHUN:”

“http://biggovernment.com/2009/11/16/acorn-still-owes-2-3-million-in-overdue-taxes/

ACORN still owes $2.3 million dollars in back taxes”

“http://biggovernment.com/2009/11/16/how-andy-stern-got-around-obamas-no-lobbyist-policy-he-just-didnt-register/

Andy Stern of SEIU is a lobbyist and close adviser and friend of Obama...also the most frequent visitor to the White House, according to a recent list they released”

“http://biggovernment.com/2009/11/15/union-and-whistleblower-complaint-documents-seiu-ballot-fraud/


More SEIU election corruption in the form of election fraud”

“http://biggovernment.com/2009/11/16/seiu-building-a-new-american-health-care-empire/

SEIU gets huge benefits from healthcare scam”

“http://biggovernment.com/2009/11/15/report-obamacare-would-reduce-care-for-seniors/

WAKE UP AMERIKA!”

“http://biggovernment.com/2009/11/13/obamas-acorn-connection-cant-survive-inspection/

Obama IS ACORN”

“it has to be difficult spending your life so afraid of monsters”

“BOO!”

“no, these are commumonsters... you have to use cyrillic lettering in your "boo"

бoo!”

“Is it easy living your life supporting corruption?”

“If you have paid one penny in tax or have bought one name brand product- you have supported corruption.”

“how exactly do I support corruption? This is coming from someone who worships a drug addict who is making millions of dollars by misleading gullible and disenfranchised republicans into believing they are in a movement to save the country from socialist boogeymen.”

“I dont worship Limbaugh or anybody else. And he had absolutely nothing to do with the tea party movement and hes also been documented to be extremely accurate and he doesnt do drugs any more. So that leads me to ask...Whos been misleading you to believe those lies?


If you dont support corruption, what do you call it? Condoning it, ignoring it, or denying it?”

“I was talking about Becky Glenn, actually.

I think you should pee on the white house doorstep. That will show Obama that you will no longer stand idle while he kills Smurfs”

“I think Ive had enough of you personal insults. Kiss my f`n a$$, biotch!”

“

http://biggovernment.com/2009/11/17/obamacare-show-me-the-seiu-money/

Obama=SEIU=ACORN=corruption at the highest level”

“adorable. very christian of you”

“My religion is none of your concern you arrogant a-hole.

You can`t resist insulting me every time to speak. You may not agree with me but you don`t have to be a little pr1ck about it.

very intellectual of you....”

“on the contrary, it serves as another perfect example of your continuing hypocrisy and partial vision. If you took the bible in its entirety, the proper thing to do would be to forgive me (or stone me to death. I guess it depends on which part you follow). What would your pastor think about the way you talk on here?
last edited: 11/17/09 2:59:06 PM”

“It seems a little odd to start a thread where you hurl insults at anyone who believes differently than you (all in the name of non-partisanship) and then get all huffy when someone insults you back.”