WE SURROUND THEM!

“Obama campaigned as a fiscal conservative. He has taken spending so far past President Bush nobody noticed.”

“Ok - So what is your plan to save the US economy?”

“Actually it looks like Barry is trying to wreck the whole system sooo bad it will force us to be completely dependent on the government.

Lookout: Captain Barry! Ice berg right ahead!

Captain Barry: Engine room...full steam ahead!!!”

“So you think Obama has stolen the #&%!$s' Starve the Beast routine only in reverse?   LMAO

Go shoot something ---- You'll feel better.”

“Silly Tilty, cain't git no ammoonition!”

“Be honest for a change and blame the silly ass republican party for ever electing BUSH and running McPOW last election, you gave this country to the Dems, now live with it -boneheads.”

“Ok - So what is your plan to save the US economy?”

“But wait a second here violin. When Bush was spending like a drunken sailor you guys were going bananas. Now Barry is like a drunken W in spending over drive and you guys are simply ecstatic.

WTF?”

“GOP apparatchiks were not spending to keep the economy afloat; they were simply doling out pork, paying back their 'investors' and invading another country for no reason.

You should at least try to pay attention ----

The current unprecedented spending is an attempt to keep the Recession resulting from the collapse of the unregulated derivatives market from turning into another Depression.

Have you been watching Fox again?

Try this:   http://www.rgemonitor.com/

”

“You see Nigal.... The idea is to run a deficit when the economy is contracting and a surplus when its going well.

Bush & Co. kept their foot on the gas and drove us straight into a ditch. President Obama is trying to get us out - and appears to be seceding.





I ask again: What do you guys propose we do to save the US economy?”

“Do you mean save it from Obama? That's easy: don't re-elect him.”

“President Obama is trying to get us out - and appears to be seceding.

I don't think he's leaving the Union anytime soon so I think you mean "succeeding." Succeeding huh? Based on what?


(And now back to our regularly scheduled program where Violin is the one who doesn't answer questions.)
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“stratdood, did you have fun at the rally?”

“The idea is to run a deficit when the economy is contracting and a surplus when its going well.

That is rediculious. It should NEVER be acceptable to run a deficit. You are making it sound like the fed is a family waiting for their next so they put the weekly groceries on the Visa for the week. This is the kind of deficit that never goes away. When Bush was spending heavy and things were just starting to look bad the head comptroller of the federal government was warning that within 40 years we wouldn't even be able to pay the interest. If the average American ran their household finances the way the fed runs theirs (ours) they'd be bankrupt and living on the street.”

“Has the Lollipop Guild had to make many concessions to keep the Sucker Industry running?

Yeah, I know Marko ---- Their fellow wackos have bought it all up.   I think it's primarily due to a lack of mental health services.”

“President Obama is trying to get us out - and appears to be seceding.

viOliN
7:55:02 PM
4/30/09

Err, no. That's Texas.”

“LOL! Good catch Kleetn.”

“Speaking of Texas. Perry, as usual jumped right on that flu help from momma gov.. Infact, Texas gets more fed. help than any state other than the other secessionist bunch in AlSarahaska. Thanks, but nothanks. Silly coniberalatives .
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“'The current unprecedented spending is an attempt to keep the Recession resulting from the collapse of the unregulated derivatives market from turning into another Depression.'tilt

The derivatives are only a shelf in an obscure closet on which the facts are hidden. The price of RE and cars and all else was just to high. We over built RE with masses of foreign labor and that inventory of RE, cars, and all overpriced consumer goods have led us into this almost 'D' word like recession. Solution? The same one that has always worked before may pull us out of this one, but even if it does, this country is wounded and will have to totally rethink all aspects of this economy. Oh, that solution, by the way, is just good old inflation - Print, print, print instead of drill, drill, drill.

The resistane to this by the right comes because at some point labor down in the trenches have to have a part in this, 'pull out' and they ( the right) will lose 30 years of exerted effort trying to run the working man into slavery.
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““The idea is to run a deficit when the economy is contracting and a surplus when its going well.

That is rediculious. It should NEVER be acceptable to run a deficit. You are making it sound like the fed is a family waiting for their next so they put the weekly groceries on the Visa for the week. This is the kind of deficit that never goes away. When Bush was spending heavy and things were just starting to look bad the head comptroller of the federal government was warning that within 40 years we wouldn't even be able to pay the interest. If the average American ran their household finances the way the fed runs theirs (ours) they'd be bankrupt and living on the street.”
- Nigal


The purpose of deficit spending is to provide demand when private spending falters so the economy doesn't go into a tailspin like it did in the 1930's. It works and makes all kind of sense.

You must have missed the the second part of my sentence about running surpluses during expansions if you think debt run up this way can never be repaid.”

“The purpose of deficit spending is to buy votes. The recent unsustainable dept will bankrupt this nation. Both sides are knee deep in it. Yeah, we expect this kind of behavior from the Demopracts, but Bush started this whole TARP thing, so he sold out too. Quit arguing and join me in stopping this fiscal slavery for our children. Let go of the 2 parties and lets get back to common sense.

When the people fear the Government, you have tyranny; When the Government fears the people, you have liberty.
T. Jefferson”

“1) Do you agree that the economy is in a deep recession?

2) If you answered "yes", what do propose we should do about it?”

“1) No

2)This is the new economy with all the money in a few really rich hands and no way to trickle it back through to the bottom.”

“The economy is in the beginning of a depression. It's much worse than they are telling you.

They have spent way mpore than they have taken in taxes. The new upcoming spending, and borrowing and printing is unsustainable. We are buying our own dept. It's a disaster thrown on top of a catastrophy. You can nopt borrow your way out of dept. This economy is bases on roughly 2/3 spending and 1/3 production. That can't work any more. We have hit a money bubble, just like the dot.com bubble....and there nothing left to pull us out of it. Government doesn't produce anything. That's why they are taking over the car companies, they want to try to be producers now. Who think a partnership of the Unions and Washington will produced good cars? They have created a cicular fireing squad for themselves on that one. It will be a disaster. Does anyone here, any one of you trust the government? My kids now owe 130,000 $ already, and they haven't graduated high school. Maybe I'm wrong, hope I am, but I think we're screwed. And they are systematically dismanteling what made us the greatest civilization and our ability to recover from this clusterphuk is therefore comprimised.

The answer, violin, is to quit meddling in the economy and let it's strength shine through. The working class is the only entity strong enough to drive this economy for real. growing government is the worst possible solution. You're already at the point where half the population is either working for the g'ment or dependant on it to survive. So the government has evolved into a self fed system, where it sustains itself by this rediculas, immoral robin hood scheme. It creating tyranny. This government is comprised of the same people that our founding fathers fought against. Tyranny or liberty, there can only be oneThe government is only suppose to protect us, settly legal disputes and deal with other countrys, that's it. This horrfying debt has to be stopped, not increased. Enough is enough.

Saleboard, trickle down won't work but simply taking people's money works just fine? To me, that is illogical and immoral. Envy is worse than greed in my opinion, and more destructive also.

Read The 5,000 Year Leap.”

“"Quit meddling in the economy" is exactly the early response the Hoover administration had to the Great Depression.

It didn't work then and it won't work now.”

“The Indices say.'good morning america'; plus, $92, $13 and $10.

But, where are all these green economy jobs that were the selling feature of this whole stimulus plan? All the windmills just gona blow smoke or what?”

“UAW's only GOP Senate donation last cycle: Arlen Specter
By: Timothy P. Carney
Examiner Columnist
05/06/09 6:32 AM

President Obama wants to make the United Auto Workers union the 55 percent owner of Chrysler. In that light, it's worth looking at the UAW's political activity.

As usual, in the 2008 election cycle the United Auto Workers' PAC gave 99% of its campaign contributions to Democrats. As I mention in my K Street column today, the PAC funded 42 Senate candidates, 41 of them Democrats. The other? Arlen Specter.

From the Center for Responsive Politics' website OpenSecrets.org, here's some data on the UAW's PAC activity in 2008:

* The PAC spent $ 13.1 million, making it the #14 PAC in the country, and placing it ahead of all business PACs except for the National Association of Realtors

* $4.9 million in reported independent expenditures, all of it dedicated to helping elect Barack Obama

* More than $2 million in direct contributions to candidates, with 99% of it going to Democrats”

“May 7, 2009
Sunbeams from Cucumbers
By George Will

WASHINGTON -- Gulliver's travels took him to the Academy of Lagado, where "professors contrive new rules and methods" for everything: "One man shall do the work of ten; a palace may be built in a week, of materials so durable as to last forever without repairing. All the fruits of the earth shall come to maturity at whatever season we think fit to choose, and increase a hundredfold more than they do at present." There was, however, the "inconvenience" that "none of these projects" had yet come to fruition and "the whole country lies miserably waste." But "instead of being discouraged," people were "fifty times more violently bent upon prosecuting their schemes," which included "extracting sunbeams out of cucumbers."

At the Academy of Obama, professors and others devise plans for extracting a new and improved automobile industry from a semi-sort-of-bankruptcy arrangement that -- if it survives judicial scrutiny; that is not certain -- will give the United Auto Workers 39 percent of General Motors, with the government owning 50 percent. During future contract negotiations, will the union's adversary be an administration that the union helped to put in power?

The UAW will own 55 percent of Chrysler, so perhaps the union will sit on both sides of the table in negotiations. They should go smoothly, although the UAW may think it has made sufficient concessions, such as the one that says henceforth overtime pay will not begin until the worker has toiled 40 hours in a week.

Many months and many billions of dollars are being wasted by the administration's determination to spare the car companies, and especially the UAW, the rigors of a straightforward bankruptcy. The president's "surgical" bankruptcy plan for Chrysler requires some of the company's lenders, mostly non-banks, to receive less than they would as secured creditors under bankruptcy law.

The law may still make itself heard over the political thunder. Meanwhile, the president faults these "speculators" for not being as cooperative as are most of the banks that have lent to Chrysler. But the banks are compliant because they are mendicants: Having taken the government's money, they are the government's minions.

When the president was recently asked what had "humbled" him in office, he mentioned that "there are a lot of different power centers" in America, so, for example, "I can't just press a button and suddenly have the bankers do exactly what I want." Perhaps not a button, and not exactly what he wants, but in dealing with Detroit he pressed and they were accommodating.

It is Demagoguery 101 to identify an unpopular minority to blame for problems. The president has chosen to blame "speculators" -- aka investors; anyone who buys a share of a company's stock is speculating about the company's future -- for Chrysler's bankruptcy and the dubious legality of his proposal. Yet he simultaneously says he hopes that private investors will begin supplanting government as a source of capital for the companies. Breathes there an investor/speculator with such a stunted sense of risk that he or she would go into business with this capricious government?

Its chief executive says: "If the Japanese can design (an) affordable, well-designed hybrid, then, doggone it, the American people should be able to do the same." Yes they can -- if the American manufacturer can do what Toyota does with the Prius: Sell its hybrid without significant, if any, profit and sustain this practice, as Toyota does, by selling about twice as many of the gas-thirsty pickup trucks that the president thinks are destroying the planet.

Obama overflows with advice for Americans who he thinks need admonitions such as "wash your hands when you shake hands" and "cover your mouth when you cough." He also advises that this is a good time for Americans to put their hygienic hands on the steering wheel of a new car. He hopes buyers will choose American cars. A sensible person might add: Buyers should choose cars made by the Ford Motor Company.

This is so because Ford has, so far, avoided becoming an appendage of the government. And because the national interest will not be served by GM and Chrysler flourishing. It might cost taxpayers more in the short run, but in the long run it will be less costly for the country if the government finds its confident plunge into industrial policy so unpleasant that, sadder but wiser, the incumbent professors and others will flee from such adventures in extracting sunbeams from cucumbers.”

“In "Democracy in America," Alexis de Tocqueville anticipated people being governed by "an immense, tutelary power" determined to take "sole charge of assuring their enjoyment and of watching over their fate." It would be a power "absolute, attentive to detail, regular, provident and gentle," aiming for our happiness but wanting "to be the only agent and the sole arbiter of that happiness." It would, Tocqueville said, provide people security, anticipate their needs, direct their industries and divide their inheritances. It would envelop society in "a network of petty regulations -- complicated, minute and uniform." But softly: "It does not break wills; it softens them, bends them, and directs them" until people resemble "a herd of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd."”

“STIMULUS WATCH: Jobs, but not where needed most
May 11 02:22 PM US/Eastern
By MATT APUZZO and BRETT J. BLACKLEDGE
Associated Press Writers


WASHINGTON (AP) - Billions in transportation stimulus dollars that President Barack Obama promoted as a way to create jobs shortchanges counties that need the work the most, an Associated Press analysis has found.

The AP's review of more than 5,500 planned transportation projects nationwide is the most complete picture available of where states plan to spend the first wave of highway money. It reveals that states are planning to spend 50 percent more per person in areas with the lowest unemployment than in communities with the highest. The Transportation Department said it will attempt to replicate the AP's analysis as it continues pressing states to dole out money fairly.

One result among many: Elk County, Pa., isn't receiving any road money despite its 13.8 percent unemployment rate. Yet the military and college community of Riley County, Kan., with 3.4 percent unemployment, will benefit from about $56 million to build a highway, improve an intersection and restore a historic farmhouse.

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said the findings don't mean that the neediest communities will not benefit.

"Just because a road project is in one part of one county doesn't mean the benefits of those jobs created or the economic impact of that spending is simply isolated to that one area," he said.

Others responded to the analysis Monday with concerns about the way the administration has represented stimulus spending and its effect on areas hardest hit by unemployment.

"To some extent, I think the administration oversold the transportation aspect of this," said Jim Berard, spokesman for Rep. James Oberstar, D-Minn., chairman of the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee. "It was sold as the heart and soul of the package, and it really just isn't."

The AP reviewed $18.9 billion in projects. They account for about half of the money set aside for states and local governments to spend on roads, bridges and infrastructure in the stimulus plan.

The very promise that Obama made, to spend money quickly and create jobs, is locking out many struggling communities needing those jobs.

The money goes to projects ready to start. But many struggling communities don't have projects waiting. They couldn't afford the millions of dollars for preparation and plans that often is required.

"It's not fair," said Martin Schuller, the borough manager in the Elk County seat of Ridgway, who commiserates about the inequity in highway aid with colleagues in nearby towns. "It's a joke because we're not going to get it, because we don't have any projects ready to go."

The AP examined the earliest projects announced nationwide, the ones most likely to break ground and create jobs first. More projects are continually being announced, and some areas that received little or no help so far may benefit later. The Obama administration could also encourage states to change their plans.

To determine whether there was a disparity in where the money would go, the AP divided the nation's counties into four groups by unemployment levels. The analysis found that, no matter how the early money is measured, communities suffering most fare the worst:

_High-unemployment counties, those in the top quarter of jobless rates, are allotted about 16 percent of the money, compared with about 20 percent for areas least affected by joblessness.

_In low-unemployment counties nationwide, those in the bottom quarter of jobless rates, the federal government is spending about $89 a person compared with $59 a person in the worst-hit areas.

_In counties with the largest populations, the government is spending about $69 a person in areas with the lowest unemployment and $40 a person in places with the greatest job need.

_Counties with the highest unemployment are most likely to have been passed over completely in the early spending.

Among them: Wheeler County, Ore.; Steuben County, Ind.; Macon County, Ga.; and Crowley County, Colo.

Many others are getting minimal help in this round: Vermillion County, Ind.; Lapeer County, Mich.; Presidio County, Texas; Tallahatchi County, Miss.

Republicans cited the analysis Monday as another example of what's wrong with Obama's economic stimulus program.

"The problem comes from the fact that the bill was not written right in the first place," said Rep. Marsha Blackburn, R-Tenn. "And the bill not addressing where the money is needed to go, but just addressing, 'Let's get this money out of here as quickly as we can.'"

Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood defended the transportation stimulus plan Monday. Even if needy areas don't see transportation projects this year, workers can still apply for jobs elsewhere, he said.

"When it's all said and done, you're going to see an enormous number of people working on these projects this summer," he said.

But that's not a solution for many of the unemployed who don't have a way to travel an hour or more in rural areas for the work, said Nancy Hetrick, a volunteer Salvation Army caseworker who works with the needy in Elk County, Pa.

"If they have cars they'll go, but a lot of people don't have cars. A lot of them can't afford to have cars on the road right now," Hetrick said. "Elk County can stand to use this job right here in the county itself."

The early trend seen in the AP analysis runs counter to expectations raised by Obama, that road and infrastructure money from the historic $787 billion stimulus plan would create jobs in areas most devastated by layoffs. Transportation money, he said, would mean paychecks for "folks looking for work" and "folks who want to work."

"That's the core of my plan, putting people to work doing the work that America needs done," Obama said in a Feb. 11 speech promoting transportation spending as a way to expand employment.

Elizabeth Oxhorn, a spokeswoman for the White House recovery effort, said Monday that transportation money is only part of a stimulus package that will benefit "as many Americans as possible."

"Different programs under the Recovery Act are targeted differently, and looking at them in isolation is misleading and incomplete," she said.

Also, Congress required states to use some of the highway money for projects in economically distressed areas, but didn't impose sanctions if they didn't. States can lose money, however, if they don't spend fast enough.

Joel Szabat, who also oversees the stimulus for the Transportation Department, said the agency presses states to build projects in struggling areas but does not normally consider how much money is going to each county.

Presented with AP's findings, he said: "I will be going back to ask our folks to do this kind of analysis, the overall amount for the projects."

Obama's stimulus package sends $38 billion to states and local governments for roads, bridges, transit and other infrastructure, about 5 percent of the overall program that also includes money for, among other things, schools, community development, technology, worker training and tax breaks.

All counties will receive some stimulus relief eventually. But the haste voiced by the White House is not reflected in the flow of highway money so far.

"We cannot wait," Vice President Joe Biden said last week when announcing a $30 million transit project in his hometown of Wilmington, Del., where the 7.7 percent unemployment rate remains below the national average. "We're spending a lot of time and money. Why? It's about ... jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs. That's why we cannot wait."

Yet residents of Perry County, Tenn., will have to wait. County Mayor John Carroll said he's disappointed his community, which suffers from 25.4 percent unemployment, won't receive a dime any time soon for its road needs.

"It's pretty easy to draw a connection between the high unemployment rate and the lack of any four-lane highways," he said.

Federal auditors acknowledge they can't yet track the transportation money that is leaving Washington and there is no single list of the thousands of projects planned in each state. For its analysis, the AP used lists of projects approved through March by the Transportation Department and collected lists of stimulus projects that have been announced in 49 states, Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands.

Federal officials have approved 2,800 projects. The remaining projects on the AP list represent the states' official plans for the money. Only Virginia, which has not announced its plan, is not included.

In promoting his plan, Obama went to hard-hit communities such as Elkhart, Ind., and Peoria, Ill., and promised the jobs would come.

"Now, I know that some of you might be thinking, 'Well that all sounds good, but when are we going to see any of that here in Elkhart?'" Obama said. "'What does all that mean for our families and our community?' Those are exactly the kind of questions you should be asking of your president and your government."

Obama kept his promise to Elkhart, which so far is expected to receive $13.7 million, and Peoria, which should receive at least $10.6 million. But other, similar counties have not been so lucky.

For now, laid-off workers in Elk County, Pa., question why they've missed out, while money flows to more prosperous places.

"Why are they helping them?" asked Wendy Cameron, 50, of Saint Marys, Pa., who lost her job in a metal factory last year. She doesn't have health insurance and would gladly take road work. "They're not in need. We are.

"What are these people going to do? Is everybody going to go on welfare? I've never been on welfare. I don't want to be on welfare."

___

Associated Press writer Cal Woodward contributed to this report.”

“He's in Mississippi waiting gawd.”

“Sure#3.”

“Glen Beck is a nut.”

“Wished DEATH on anyone else today, t*ltypoo?”

“tilt is a sell out stovie, move on. He's part of the problem, not the solution. He's not interested in truth, just more division, more diversion, more bull$hit. Click his lame a$$ like I did several weeks ago and forget him. That's how relevant he, and others like him, are. You can't even have a discussion with him.


Meanwhile, back at the ranch.....who trusts their government today? No one? Then why don't you stand up and do something about it. They answer to us, and WE SURROUND THEM!”

““tilt is a sell out stovie, move on. He's part of the problem, not the solution. He's not interested in truth, just more division, more diversion, more bull$hit. Click his lame a$$ like I did several weeks ago and forget him. That's how relevant he, and others like him, are. You can't even have a discussion with him.

stratd00d
4:57:20 PM
5/13/09

That's true, but I OWN poor little T*lt, dOOd. ;-)”

“I feelya bruh!”

“Glen Beck is a nut and he doesn't even know how to spell his own name.”

“How are you teabaggers getting along..... post-teabagging?”

“How much you gona sell Tllt 4? I'm glad I don't own a Tllt or a Glenbeck or any of them liberalized codwadulanterians.”

“He's certainly not worth much. I've feel too bad to sell him to another TTer. It's like if I was to sell you a damaged used car.”

“How much is that redneck in the window?”

“Almost forgot this one....

What Insane Message Does Glen Beck Have for Children?

http://gawker.com/5240069/what-insane-message-does-glenn-beck-have-for-children”

“I wonder if Dann Coulter has put out any coloring books of the Army McCarthy Hearings yet.


Someone was saying that in Britain during the War people would save teabags and reuse them.  Of course the tea was very weak, but they managed to queeze Some flavor out....   they said.

Are you guys going to hold onto them for a while and give them another squeeze later?”