Gotta Love France

“he needs to stand trial. he needs to serve the time. and everyone needs to get off their high horse, including me

end of thread”

“but thats NOT what youve been doing here.

What don't you get about this: Speaking out against people who are acceptant of child rape is speaking out against child rape. The liberal elite has gone out of its way to politicize this in a hideous fit of moral equivocation. Your beef should be with them.
last edited: 9/30/09 7:33:41 PM”

“what YOU dont get is this: no one on this thread has supported polanski. to paint all liberals as supporting him is ludicrous. i DO have a problem with those who are saying he should not serve time, especially those jagoffs who cite his body of work. those ppl disgust me, partly because they give right-wing reactionaries fuel, but mostly because theyre fvkcing WRONG”

“�Those lining up in support of Polanski should be drugged and sodomized.�
viOLiN
8:46:10 AM
9/30/09

jumping jubilant jesus. exactly how outraged do people need to be? violin expressed the EXACT SAME SENTIMENTS that you have, and thats not good enough? does there need to be effigies burnt? national kick roman polanski in the balls with a spiked boot day? WHAT what? what? what more do you want? what? do i need to go out in the square and rip my clothes and gouge my eyes out because i cant bear to live in a world that polanski inhabits WHAT THE FCK DO YOU WANT?”

“My my. A golden opportunity for the rednecks to pile on the French.

Now flip out, beat your chests and bellow about how morally superior you think you are. Go tell all the Iraqi corpses how morally superior you think you are.

"The French" told you that you were #&%!$ing up by invading Iraq, but Dickless Cheney looked straight into the camera and lied.

And you still kiss his ass.

Give it a rest.

”

“aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand cue tilt making it about iraq. nice job”

“
I'll speak out against child rape when and where it suits me and with absolute moral certitude

and i support you doing that. but thats NOT what youve been doing here. show me where youve castigated polanski. you cant because you havent. youve been using it as an excuse to excoriate hollyweirdos, tt lefties, and all libbies everywhere. youre making it about the left, and not polanski.

THATS what i have a problem with
last edited: 9/30/09 10:07:32 PM”
crash bang
10:37:37 PM
9/30/09

The courts will take care of Polanski one way or the other. No one needs to speak out against him, his actions have done that enough. But there will be no accountability for the people that are supporting him unless people speak out against them. Hollywood is no more a family than any other corporation or industry. They are not blood where you have no choice but be family, they chose him as a friend and they can choose to support him or not. If they choose to support him then they have to accept the fact they are they are not for the protection of children against sexual predators.”

“Piling on France? They've been knowlingly harboring this P.O.S. for 3 decades.”

“Are you saying that everyone in France has been harboring the P.O.S.?

Blast them all!!

Somebody get a rope!

You're going to need more rope.”

“No, I'm not. It's my understanding that the government of France has refused extradition. Is that correct?”

“".....drugging a 13-year-old girl and sodomizing her in a hot tub against her will is A-OK."

Stovie
7:09:54 PM
9/30/09”

“dh, you fool, don't you know that it is only republicans/conservatives that are allowed to be considered a homogeneous group/organization where what one says is the opinion of all.”

“Day anyone who opposes Tilty's heroes is PILING on.

The worst thing you can do to a liberal is present them with the evidence of their hypocrisy.

Okay lets say Whoopie et al are loons....Crash does this mean you will never listen to her again? WIll you call for her banishment from Hollywierd?

UM NO, eventually she will regain support in the Artsy community. She is doing phone adds right now....

Its like when Fuzzy Zoeller made his mistaken comment about Tiger. BOOM KMART pulls his contract. But let Rosie make her comments to Heston KMART says, 'She has a right to her opinion."

Hence I will not patronize KMART, because I disagree with their opinion. So what I am asking is "Gee Crash you are pretty disgusted by what Whoopie said, how will this change your behavior?"

I am guessing you will join in "issuing a strong statement" (LOL)”

“I have not been following this thing for 30 years, dayhiker.

I suppose the French government HAS refused extradition.

The justice system will deal with this as they see fit regardless of any and all bellowing from whomever and for what ever reason.

Using this matter as another excuse to demonize France is lame.”

“Who TF is Fuzzy Zoeller?

Tiger.....KMart.....Rosie(who?)

You are out of control, XLax.

What about Tigger, Roo, and Winnie?

Ted Kennedy, anyone?”

“I like how Polanksi is the victim in all of this according to the Hollywood folks.”

“Gee Crash you are pretty disgusted by what Whoopie said, how will this change your behavior?"

I am guessing you will join in "issuing a strong statement

are you talking about the "rape-rape" comment?

i think the point that she was trying (and failing) to make was that at least he didnt violently rape her, he coerced her. but it was a stupid way to say it. im guessing she believes that rape by coercion would not be as traumatizing as violent rape. that may or may not be true, but it is a poor defense of the guy, if that was her intention”

“Crash does this mean you will never listen to her again? WIll you call for her banishment from Hollywierd?

i dont listen to her now. what are YOU going to do, besides posture and pose on a semi-anonymous internet forum?
last edited: 10/01/09 6:09:19 AM”

“Live by the guilt-by-association-sweeping-generalizations, die by the guilt-by-association-sweeping-generalizations, lol.”

“ think the point that she was trying (and failing) to make was that at least he didnt violently rape her, he coerced her. but it was a stupid way to say it. im guessing she believes that rape by coercion would not be as traumatizing as violent rape. that may or may not be true, but it is a poor defense of the guy, if that was her intention�
crash bang
6:36:43 AM
10/01/09

That was the most disgusting comment you have EVER made.

FACTS in the Case.
The Girl was 13..Crash you ever had a daughter? Ever been around a 13 year old?

This girl WANTED to be a model. Polanski then PLIED her with Qualuudes and Alchohol. (meaning a more "compliant" victim)

Using your logic if a guy "date Rape Drug"s a girl its NOT that BAD.

NOW we have TESTIMONY in the original case.







So getting a 13 year old DRUNK and committing sodomy on her is not Rape Rape? OH for it to really matter they have to beat her around?”

“Forget the rope, get a broom!”

“So getting a 13 year old DRUNK and committing sodomy on her is not Rape”
theXL400
7:49:31 AM
10/01/09

You evil bastard!!

Forget the broom, bring back the rope!”

“ROPE...HELL NO...Marko Piano Wire, and a block of ice. I want the SOB to suffer.”

“I was talkin' about you, X!

And there ya go with your sadistic stuff again.”

“So getting a 13 year old DRUNK and committing sodomy on her is not Rape Rape?

you are such a self-righteous ass.

the point is, what he did was horrible. the point whoopi was making, i believe, is that it could have been even worse if he had physically forced himself with violence

THATS NOT TO SAY IT WASNT HORRIBLE ALREADY

i dont know if i agree with her. im not an expert on rape. apparently, you are”

“Marko...Sadistic is releasing evidence?

OH and Crash...yeah that was not the end of the "non Rape-Rape" yeah apparently they were interruped by a knock on the door. The Little Girl put her panties back on and then Roman removed them and finished his sodomy on her.

Real good reading....I am certain this still does not meet the "Crash Legal Precedence" of Rape-Rape.”

“getting a 13 year old DRUNK and committing sodomy on her is not Rape”
theXL400
7:49:31 AM
10/01/09

im not an expert on rape. apparently, you are”
crash bang
7:56:41 AM
10/01/09

Well, DUH!!”

“Piano Wire, and a block of ice. I want the SOB to suffer.”
theXL400
7:53:31 AM
10/01/09

Sadistic is releasing evidence?
XL

No, sadistic is what you desire in your own words.”

“lets put it this way. on a scale of 1 to 100 (1 being good, 100 being horrible) drug-rape is a 99. rape rape is a 99.5.

now, why dont you go fvck-fvck yourself”

“Here-here, Crash!!”

“hole = dug = LOL”

“assume for a minute that rape-rape is worse than drug-rape. considering the horrible nature of the crime, is it really even worth mentioning? no, i dont think so\

but the distinction is made in a court of law. thats why they charged him with "unlawful sex with a minor" and not rape

BUT ACKNOWLEDGING THE DIFFERENCE IS NOT TANTAMOUNT TO APPROVAL

why are you so desperate to paint the other side as pedo supporters? hmmmmm?”

“Wow...this is so instructive, um crash if Roman had like said nice stuff to the THIRTEEN year old girl...or sent her flowers...would that have dropped the part about her Sodomizing her say 20 or 30 points in your mind?

Hey if he had maybe gotten her a gig modeling...we could use Moral Relativisim and knock the whole (girl crying and asking an older man not to touch her) thing down to say, a 10. Then if we work harder we might even be able to show that the little THIRTEEN YEAR OLD GIRL actually enticed and tricked Roman into what he did...


Yeah thats the ticket, the little THIRTEEN YEAR OLD GIRL, planned it from the first, she would Go over to his house, and force him to rape her...WOW...

I am wondering about Korea now.”

“stop digging holes, benji. you might fall in one, yourself”

“why are you so desperate to paint the other side as pedo supporters? hmmmmm?

He's just following the lead of Heinrich and Adolf in scapegoating a sector of the population for political gain.”

“xl, do you believe that the punishment for running a red light should be the same as for a child-rapist?

should the penalty for paying your taxes a week late be the same as embezzling 10 million dollars?

if you punch me in the mouth, should you get the same sentence as a serial killer?”

“if you answered no to any of those questions, and im sure you did, if you were honest, then you, too, are a moral relativist

all i did was clarify whoopi's statement. but in your twisted little mind, thats the same as agreeing with her”

“UM I agree and I see where there is a case for say two drunk CONSENTING adults could in the LIGHT of day be seen as a different charge.

Say Sally and Billy (both mature over 18) get drunk at a party and get jiggy. In the morning Sally gets the whole remorse thing and charges Billy.

But throughout the THIRTEEN YEAR OLD GIRL'S testimony there is evidence she DID ask him to stop, she did attempt to stop the event.

I do NOT believe that a 13 year old girl is mentally capable of grasping the ramifications (no pun intended) of what was happening. Sorry I just do not allow Roman Polanski the latitude of saying it was an accident.

Crash, I have had to ride in the back of an ambulance with a teenage Rape victim. I actually had to go to the house when the parents called it in. My Partner and I had to negotiate with the girl so she WOULDN'T shower the evidence off.

I watched the 30 ish S-T bag come all smiling and heroic into the interrogation area. Sure he didn't beat her ass, he just got her loaded enough where her defenses were down and he nailed her. She protested but he kept telling her she wanted it.

SO in this I am going to say that I feel a 40ish year old man does have a responsibility for what he convinces a 13 year old CHILD to do. In actuality I think the events surrounding this make the RAPE (regardless of what the attorneys worked out) even more heinous.”

“reading that transcript really made me ill. that whole line about asking her if she was on the pill and when she had her last period was unbelievable... practicing rhythm birth control while raping a 13 year old. so in consideration of not wanting to get her pregnant the rapist switches to sodomy. what a great guy and a talented film maker!

i'll tell you what else the court needs to do. lock him up and take away all the money he made while he was free making movies rather than doing his time. no parole either. i hope he rots in prison. if our overseas friends (who no doubt have read this transcript) decide to still harbor this creep then we'll know who our real friends are.”

““why are you so desperate to paint the other side as pedo supporters? hmmmmm?

He's just following the lead of Heinrich and Adolf in scapegoating a sector of the population for political gain.”
MarkO
10:16:44 AM
10/01/09

Oh my, I don't how you were able to actually type that and not fall out of your chair laughing at your own hypocrisy. Or maybe you did fall out of your chair. I hope you are OK.”

“SO in this I am going to say that I feel a 40ish year old man does have a responsibility for what he convinces a 13 year old CHILD to do. In actuality I think the events surrounding this make the RAPE (regardless of what the attorneys worked out) even more heinous

so, you too are a moral relativist. you believe that there are DEGREES of right and wrong

it's ok for you to acknowledge degrees of evil, but if anyone else does it, theyre pedos or pedo supporters

nice

and yea, the fact that he methodically planned this, in my mind, does make it worse. i was just clarifying the point that whoopi was trying to make. i wasnt supporting what she said
last edited: 10/01/09 7:16:01 AM”

“predictable hyway is predictable”

“Be Careful Crash...looks like the French are starting to drop their defenses....(LOL) boy that was one we saw coming miles out.

Crash is there something about your Time in Korea that has softened you in this whole thing???
last edited: 10/01/09 7:24:05 AM”

“I wouldn't be so predictable if Marko wasn't so predictably hypocritical so often. As if its only the right that scapegoats a sector of the population for political gain. If he is correct in his statement on what causes the scapegoating, then the left follows Heinrich and Adolf just as much as the right.”

“Crash is there something about your Time in Korea that has softened you in this whole thing???

show me where i approved”

“Your definition of "hypocritical" is hypocritical, Hyway.

Your display of ignoramousness is so predictable as to be hyper-ignorant.

There is not "equal and opposite" of the right wing scapegoating.

Your grasp of reality is no grasp at all.”

“UM Crash there are many things I will not even debate the "degree" of a crime. Trying to give aid and comfort or marginalize what Whoopi said is tantamount to agreeing with her.

Its like me saying I agree with what Trent Lott said at Strom Thurmond's birthday. Regardless of the event, the intention his statement that "we would be better off" when you know that time Thurmond was a hard core segregationist WAS WRONG.

All I am asking is do you find what Whoopi said to be "Disgusting" your reply was to color it with some sort of whitewash about the degrees of rape. I am sorry I think even if Polanski had gotten a full fledged "DO ME baby" request out of this THIRTEEN YEAR OLD GIRL it still would have been a disgusting act that should have brought the MAXIMUM Time. The adult in that situation has an inherent responsibility above and beyond normal relationships to protect this girl.

Whether he beat the crap out of her and left her bleeding and crying or whether he plied her with drugs and money and modeling jobs, and she begged him to do what he did is NOT relevent. I think there is a higher requirement when working with children. I think this is NO more explainable than the Teachers who take advantage of 13 year old boys.”

“Make the french jail him, we're trying to get rid of prisoners here. They harbored him all this time make them pay his room and board, he did pay taxes there, eh?”

“marko is so cute when he tries to keep his head above water”