America's Two Party System

“crash, did you read my post, or glance over it? What makes you think I advocated NOT bashing either party? I will continue to bash both.”

“so your bashing wont be one-sided, then?”

“I will continue to support my ideals, and oppose those I oppose. How about worrying less about me and more about you. That's sort of the point.”

“I think it is hilarious listening to the libbies talk about how this is "NOT" a referendum on the PrezBO.

Heck when Bush was President if you had a School President Election in Putztown they talked about how it indicated negative attitudes...LOL”

“heres a thought, hpd. how about going one step further. instead of just putting an end to the dumbocrat vs repugnantcan, how about putting an end to the stupid-ass left-right libbie-connie clusterfvck? i know xl is incapable, but how about you?”

“What does that mean? Put an end to designating a side as left-wing or right-wing? Explain.

Look crash, if you think my idea is bad, then continue doing what you are doing. I will continue to call out injustices regardless of who is doing it.

Why are you so concerned about what other people, like XL, is doing? That is the whole problem I outlined. Us versus them.

You just have to find an argument in everything. Go watch baseball and get it out of your system if you have to pick a team. Then let's debate ...

ISSUES.”

“ you think my idea is bad,

i think it's a GREAT idea. im saying you should go FURTHER with it

Why are you so concerned about what other people, like XL, is doing?

just pointing out that he seems incapable of NOT making it us vs them. 99 percent of his posts are of the us vs them type.

Then let's debate ...

ISSUES.�

as long as you remember libbies this, libbies that is not an issue. your whole M.O. is how libbies are ruining the country. lets not just put and end to republicans vs democrats. lets put an end to liberals vs conservatives, too

CAN YOU DO THAT?”

“I think you misunderstood or missed something.

Having liberal ideals on specific topics, or conservative ideals on specific topics is not bad in and of itself. What is bad is having the ideals because OTHER (whether it be politicians, political parties, or commentators, or even friends) who are also a liberal/conservative have those ideas. ... again, us versus them.

I have classical liberal (aka: conservative) ideas on how this country should be run, and I will stick to them, regardless of if a particular party or politician believes the way I do - and when they sway, I will call them out on it. That's how I've operated for a couple of years now, and that is the way I will continue.

For example, as long as you have known me, I have supported legalization of pot. That is a TRUE conservative (classical liberal), and modern liberal ideal. The Republicans have not supported that. I have called them out on it, and will continue to. We have had this particular discussion in the past. I did not side with Rush Limbaugh or George Bush or the Republicans. Now that I am NOT a Republican, I feel much freer to follow my heart on a wide-range of issues.”

“Having liberal ideals on specific topics, or conservative ideals on specific topics is not bad in and of itself. What is bad is having the ideals because OTHER (whether it be politicians, political parties, or commentators, or even friends) who are also a liberal/conservative have those ideas. ... again, us versus them

thats more or less what im trying to say

im just challenging you to live up to that. youre always going on about libbies this, libbies that, and as long as you do, youre just doing more of the same "us vs them"”

“um, "no". I may have like 4 years ago or in jest using the classic trailtalk "silly libby" line, but otherwise you're confusing me with somebody else. Time flies when you're getting old.

If an idea is "liberal", I will call it "liberal". If it's "conservative", I'll call it "conservative". Those aren't dirty words, and are only divisive when used to mock or to pick sides.

Again, why are you worrying so much about me and XL? I have already made this change. This isn't some kind of call to action for trailtalk or to say "from here on out, I'm doing it". I've been doing it, and I'm saying that as a nation, people need to wake up and realize the two parties are screwing us all. I'm not going to sit here and debate that. If you disagree, fine. We disagree then.”

“I have already made this change

i do agree that you do seem a changed person since your return. i will give you the benefit of the doubt. you have been quite civil in your return. welcome back

Those aren't dirty words, and are only divisive when used to mock or to pick sides.

youre right, theyre not. but nevertheless, thats how they get used around here and elsewhere, anyway, to the detriment of getting anywhere useful.”

“You think you're going to get something useful outta this site?”

“As I said at least twice now, it's not about trailtalk.”

“I like the "grilled cheeze sandwich and tomato soup" party the best!”

“Vile is gonna be crying in his beer tonight.”

“No, I bet he's hoping that we can finally stop our partisan bickering and come together as one proud nation.


Dolt is another story. He's going to be crying in his beer lamenting about stupid wacko redneck voters.”

“Great work by the extreme right wing to purify the party.

No moderates allowed!”

“"moderates" ... LOL!”

“How about that new governor of yours, violin?”

“Can someone please give me the definition of a political moderate? (in your own words, of course.)”

“To progresso-freaks like Violennon, a republican moderate is a flaming liberal with a R next to her name.....”

“LMAO! That's the first time I heard that one, lol, but I think you mean VioLenin.”

“So is New Jersey gona have the 'Ten Commandments' in the Capitol Building?”

“Moderate
“Can someone please give me the definition of a political moderate? (in your own words, of course.)”
Nonconformist
6:20:21 AM
11/04/09

The former GOP candidate in upstate NY with a solidly conservative voting record on all but a few issues?”

“To progresso-freaks like Violennon, a republican moderate is a flaming liberal with a R next to her name.....”
stratd00d
6:53:55 AM
11/04/09

Post of the year.

Back in the USSR huh?”

“Can someone other than an anti-capitalist liberal progressive please give me the definition of a political moderate? :P”

“It's like a Magical Mystery Tour with you Strat.”

“Would one of you ninnies please give the gun-runner some respect before he locks and loads one?”

“Lennon




Lenin

”

“Would one of you ninnies please give the gun-runner some respect before he locks and loads one?

Which one?
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“Moderate
“Can someone other than an anti-capitalist liberal progressive please give me the definition of a political moderate? :P”
Nonconformist
7:22:03 AM
11/04/09

The people who selected the candidate in the first place?”

“Two new Republican governors, does that equal sending a message to the Dems or people in general upset with the economy?”

“I bet Lennon and Lenin would be a great two party system.”

“I'll take the peacenik musician.”

“Yup, can keep the communist jerk off.”

“I'll not take the pieces of party anymore.”

“�How about that new governor of yours, violin?�
Mutt


Corzine was a very unpopular governor. I was pissed as at him when he tried to push through his asinine idea to dramatically raise the tolls on the NJ Turnpike and Garden State Parkway and "monetize" the future income stream. I had written to him while he was still a candidate and asked him to drop the idea of selling our toll roads - that was before he revealed that the plan hinged upon dramatically increasing tolls. I'd be paying about $500 every month just to drive to work if his plan had passed. Either he had no idea how much that would impact common schlubs (out of touch billionaire) or he was looking to make a #&%!$-load of money for the underwriters (perhaps a little of both). Either way, it sucked. Battling the guy you just voted for is not a great way to start a term.

I gave Christie a hard look and only made up my mind to hold my nose and vote for Corzine about six weeks ago.

That being said, the race really only has implications for this state.

On the national scene, the Democrats picked up two more seats in the House. The NY-23 seat hasn't been held by a Dem in over 150 years! The RNC is bleeding like a stuck pig.

Neener-#&%!$ing-neener.

Christie is as conservative a Governor we've had in my lifetime. The moderate Republicans Kean and Whitman were pretty decent. I hope he turns out to be an excellent Governor - time will tell.
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“Can someone other than an anti-democracy conservative regressive please give me the definition of a political moderate? >8^b”

“Yeah I've heard Corzine is a douchebag. Reminds me of me in '04 holding my nose and voting for Bush.”

“Reminds me of '08, '04, '00, '96.........”

“"We must rouse our broken forces and save the country:
I even said this in public. The beaten player
opens his wounds and hungers for the blood-feud
hidden like contraband and loved like whiskey"
-Robert Lowell”

“Vile will always support the corrupt DEMOCRAT.”

“Republican Chris Christie wins New Jersey. Wow, what a crappy prize”

“Why did the 'Rep Takeover Rally' on Wall
St. fail into the close today?”

“LOL...Moderate - Someone too cowardly to admit they are liberal .”

“haha youve told that joke

get new material”

“He'll have to rent another' PortaPotter' to read.”