Thread For Ron Paul's STUPID Remarks

“He needs a thread just for all the idiotic things he says, particularly regarding foreign policy and geopolitics.

"Sanctions are literally an act of war." - Ron Paul, 4/22, explaining his opposition to HR2194, Comprehensive Iran Sanctions”

“You will never have the pleasure of seeing anything through Ron Paul's eyes.”

“Dudes I like the heyull outa Ron Paul!

Too dang bad he looks like a retired Howdy Doodie (Americans ain't gonna have that as prez, even if he was the next Jesus), he'd get my vote anyhow.”

“Yes and the Ignore button is not an act of War either?”

“Indeed, and I will enact an act of war on you nimrod with the heinous Ignore button.




(not really)”

“Just thinkin it, is an Act of War”

“Oh shyt!! Dope-bama is now regulating our thawts now?!!”

“"Sanctions are literally an act of war."

Ron's mistake was not adding the adjective 'religious' to WAR.”

“Ron Paul is also quoted as saying

Another term for preventive war is aggressive war - starting wars because someday somebody might do something to us. That is not part of the American tradition.

In time it will become clear to everyone that support for the policies of pre-emptive war and interventionist nation-building will have much greater significance than the removal of Saddam Hussein itself.”

“http://www.c-spanvideo.org/videoLibrary/clip.php?appid=598028890



Here is what he said in context.”

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Posted By Rep. Ron Paul On April 22, 2010

Before the US House of Representatives, April 22, 2010, Statement on Motion to Instruct Conferees on HR 2194, Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability and Divestment Act.

I rise in opposition to this motion to instruct House conferees on HR 2194, the Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability and Divestment Act, and I rise in strong opposition again to the underlying bill and to its Senate version as well. I object to this entire push for war on Iran, however it is disguised. Listening to the debate on the Floor on this motion and the underlying bill it feels as if we are back in 2002 all over again: the same falsehoods and distortions used to push the United States into a disastrous and unnecessary one-trillion-dollar war on Iraq are being trotted out again to lead us to what will likely be an even more disastrous and costly war on Iran. The parallels are astonishing.
We hear war advocates today on the Floor scare-mongering about reports that in one year Iran will have missiles that can hit the United States. Where have we heard this bombast before? Anyone remember the claims that Iraqi drones were going to fly over the United States and attack us? These “drones” ended up being pure propaganda – the UN chief weapons inspector concluded in 2004 that there was no evidence that Saddam Hussein had ever developed unpiloted drones for use on enemy targets. Of course by then the propagandists had gotten their war so the truth did not matter much.
We hear war advocates on the floor today arguing that we cannot afford to sit around and wait for Iran to detonate a nuclear weapon. Where have we heard this before? Anyone remember then-Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice’s oft-repeated quip about Iraq, that we cannot wait for the smoking gun to appear as a mushroom cloud?
We need to see all this for what it is: Propaganda to speed us to war against Iran for the benefit of special interests.
Let us remember a few important things. Iran, a signatory of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, has never been found in violation of that treaty. Iran is not capable of enriching uranium to the necessary level to manufacture nuclear weapons. According to the entire US Intelligence Community, Iran is not currently working on a nuclear weapons program. These are facts, and to point them out does not make one a supporter or fan of the Iranian regime. Those pushing war on Iran will ignore or distort these facts to serve their agenda, though, so it is important and necessary to point them out.
Some of my well-intentioned colleagues may be tempted to vote for sanctions on Iran because they view this as a way to avoid war on Iran. I will ask them whether the sanctions on Iraq satisfied those pushing for war at that time. Or whether the application of ever-stronger sanctions in fact helped war advocates make their case for war on Iraq: as each round of new sanctions failed to “work” – to change the regime – war became the only remaining regime-change option.
This legislation, whether the House or Senate version, will lead us to war on Iran. The sanctions in this bill, and the blockade of Iran necessary to fully enforce them, are in themselves acts of war according to international law. A vote for sanctions on Iran is a vote for war against Iran. I urge my colleagues in the strongest terms to turn back from this unnecessary and counterproductive march to war.”

“That is not part of the American tradition.

Barbary wars. Jefferson and Madison. Undeclared wars for our trading interests and to kill terrorists.”

“Them idjits who post in the subject line all the time trying to get attention are just sad.

It's a turrible Chore to be at Wore with the Ignore.




But all those people dying for nothing ---- That's serious business. In time, History will certainly judge whether invading another country based on lies was a war crime.

Did you catch American Experience last night?

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““That is not part of the American tradition.

Barbary wars. Jefferson and Madison. Undeclared wars for our trading interests and to kill terrorists.

All one has to do is GOOGLE Smedley Butler's WAR IS A RACKET to see that aggressive war and military intervention in support of overseas business interests is very much a tradition.”

“'Undeclared wars for our trading interests and to kill terrorists.'
Financial Terrorist included?”

“Good Ol' Smedley....”

“http://web.jjay.cuny.edu/~jobrien/reference/ob89.html

Imagine in 1936 nations had actually tried to stop (an aggressive action) this?

60 MILLION most likely would not have died.”

“@ "Livertarian" Ru Paul”

“I object to this entire push for war on Iran, however it is disguised. - HPD

So do you agree with him in this instance, HPD? The gasoline sanctions are an act of war?”

“Mutt you have to read the Paulista Tome.”

“The sanctions in this bill, and the blockade of Iran necessary to fully enforce them, are in themselves acts of war according to international law. A vote for sanctions on Iran is a vote for war against Iran. - RP

I suppose that's debatable on a moral level since they have ready access to it, but I believe international law does not make that distinction. For one thing, their situation may change over time. I also believe that other international law, there must be just cause, meaning certain imminent danger.”

“that other international law, there must be just cause, meaning certain imminent danger.

Cite.

So you kind of agree. You know who derives significant funding from the Iranian gasoline trade? The IRG. You know who is responsible for suppressing the increasing level of public discontent? The IRG.”

“Cite.

Without extensive research, I've only found secondary sources. http://www.crosscurrents.org/gordon.htm

5th paragraph makes reference to it

So you kind of agree.

Based on what I have read, yes.

You know who derives significant funding from the Iranian gasoline trade? The IRG. You know who is responsible for suppressing the increasing level of public discontent? The IRG.

That could be, but their lawbreaking should not result in "my" (our) unethical or illegal behavior, so I reject your argument.

That said, the question was about agreeing with the accuracy of Ron Paul's statement. My limited research shows that he is correct.

If you want to talk about my opinion on how to handle Iran, that may or may not be a separate issue - but I can tell you I'm not willing to choose "sides" and say we go all out with sanctions and war, etc... vs keeping trade and negotiations open. I don't see it as a all or nothing solution.”

“That's smart HPD.”

“Sanctions are NOT an act of war in and of themselves under international law. Whether they're legal or not is a different question, and confusing the two is something RP is doing for his own purposes. Sanctions are usually one of the last acts before war. The effectiveness of sanctions does have some historical support, and they could possibly goad Iran into throwing the first punch, making them the aggressors in the eyes of the international community. And possibly, just possibly, they could weaken the only thing keeping the regime in place: the IRG.”

“Hmm ... I doubt everything you said.”

“When Stovie has OIL to burn in his back yard, why are we concerned with Iranian OIL or is this concern about the CNP (Christian National Park) in Israel?”

“Hey I have a ? for y'all..... Why in heyall are we giving Isreal BILLIONS of dollars every year? Yea they're Jews, yeah they had it pretty dang bad w/ Hitlar, but come on, ain't that slightly passed into history by now?”

“Correction; CNP becomes J-CNP, Judeo-Christian National Park.LOL

Correction Correction; I forgot Islam, so now it will become; TGNP, Three Gawds National Park.
last edited: 4/28/10 8:30:29 PM”

“Dper lUv Ru Paul”

“ain't that slightly passed into history by now?

There is a LOT to dislike about Israel.....until you look at its neighbors.”

““ain't that slightly passed into history by now?

There is a LOT to dislike about Israel.....until you look at its neighbors.”

And thus the concept of "two wrongs make a right".”

“"two wrongs make a right"

Oh boy! Can I borrow that? I think your whole life's philosophy is based on that principle.”

“@ Dper”

“You don't know Jackie McSchitt about my life, Sarge.

More of your calumny.”

“Mark, if you reserve "right" for something that only exists in theory, your perspective won't be instructive of reality.”

“WooW. annie 1 elise know taste how Dper $ fiends scat ter wun CON frunted on dare lies >”

“You don't know Jackie McSchitt about my life, Sarge.

I know about your life philosophy that you spew on here. Were you just pretending all these years?”

“He knows you and your gawd are wrong , unless it is his gawd and you are even more wrong if you gawd is no gawd. That's the Dper straight out of his diaper.”

“salebored, do you ever get tired of #&%!$ing to yourself? nobody cares what you say.”

“"Dper, do you ever get tired of #&%!$ing to yourself? nobody cares what you say."”

“salebored - keep spewing it, because I try to understand most of it, and sort of agree with a lot of it.

HPD - keep spewing it, because I actually agree with 90% of it.

snicker - if you want, keep doing whatever you are doing, because I'm sure it is funny and maybe intelligent, but I refuse to spend the time figuring out what you are saying.”

“EyE eYe Captn` +”

“I want to be capt'n, But I can't swim or drink rum.”

“When asked if a President Ron Paul would have ordered the bin Laden kill: "Not the way it took place, no," replied Paul.

"It was absolutely not necessary"”

“In long term context of not being involved at all, Yah! He's rite. The Russians would have done it for us 25 years ago.”

“what's the limit on how many posts can be posted to a thread?”

“"I am officially announcing that I am a candidate for president in the Republican primary,” he said in announcing the launch of his campaign from the key early primary state of New Hampshire." - Ron Paul, 5/13/11”

“Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery"

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/05/12/sen_rand_paul_right_to_health_care_is_like_believing_in_slavery.html

I like Rand”

““Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Is Like Believing In "Slavery", which he does.”