John Ashcroft

“I don't want very much government. I want government to pave the streets and enforce the laws.

Thank God we finally have someone who will at least get it half right.”

“1/2 right and no left!!!”

“I don?t understand why the left did not want Ashcroft. He had nothing against him, here is a model citizen, and the dems tarnishing the citizen's good name. With the race card.”

“Shouldn't this thread really be titled "Satan"?”

“I don't trust anyone who speaks in tongues and communes with God like he's using the telephone.
Separation of Church and State, doncha' know.
Now, I refuse to get any further involved in this nutty thread.
People are going to come out of the woodwork.

Praise de Lawd!
Now pass me a beer, and Roe VS Wade.”

“America has been embarrassed and we should be ashamed. John Ashcroft represents decency.

In God I Trust.”

“I'm with ya Mel, here's a beer.

In logic I trust.”

“you tell 'em Bacpac”

“Why, I hear that Ashcroft wears sandals and long robes. He will not only enforce the law, he will heal the country spiritually as well. When the man breaks wind, flowers bloom. I could go on and on...
Bacpac, do yo want to change your name to "bait-pac"?”

“Ashcroft is a tuned in righteous dude. My hope now is that he can get the "goods" on Hillary, Bill, Teddy, Leahy, B.Boxer, D,Fienstien, Dashle, etc. and send those Democratic Party "Brown Shirts" to prison where they belong. Also it would be good if he could overturn Roe v. Wade singlehandedly. Plus we need some more oil. It would be good if he could get the oil rigs rolling towards the fragile Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska.”

“SH......you're scaring me.”

“Awhhh come over here little girl .... Don't be scared. Do you like candy?”

“After reading solitary hiker's viewpoint, there is little wonder why he hikes solitare.

The best trick the devil ever pulled was make you believe he doesn't exist. You know, I thought I saw a pointed tail sticking out from behind his jacket during his hearings...”

“If a liberal stands up for socialiized medicine, abortion on demand, gay-marriage, a heroine needle exchange program he/she is a hero of the common man. But if a concervative stands just as firm in his or her beliefs they are the devil!? Hmmmm... I say go John go!”

“Damn republicans....”

“Damn democrats....”

“Damn!”

“There are extremes on both sides, but when it comes down to the principles for which each party stands on, the republicans actually respect liberty, rather than trample on it and humiliate it as the democrats at the national level do.”

“ROTFLMAO Chunga, very witty!!!”

“Let's not forget about Nixon.

And G.W. does coke. Yeah, he's a hero, what a great man.”

“Now, Sol....

You don't want to go and get Om thinking you're a Righty Ogre rather than just a Buchanan Curmudgeon...
Do you?!”

“Damn!”

“I hear that Ashcroft is going to re-open the case on the JFK asassination. I hear that he is finally going to bring Oliver North to justice, along with his Constitution-subverting friends. I hear that he's going to rid the government of all the corrupting corporate money.
What do you folks hear?”

“nothing but OM....
i hit the mute button on the washington channel a couple of weeks ago.....”

“I agree that the republicans have just as many moral, ethical, etc.. failures as the dems do. the difference is that the dems actually(at the national level, i know many a dem who stands for many of the repubs views at the local level) trample liberty in principle. the stands they take on issues right down the line, actually start with a premise that contradicts the idea of liberty. all the ollie norths in the world can't change the issues.”

“Mel,
I'm part of a vast right wing ogre conspiracy. Our numbers are legion.
We're gonna get all the liberal Commies on Trail Talk. We're gonna get all the oil too. And the trees ... let's not forget the trees. And the beer. Beer and firewood. Afterall our motto is:

"Beer and bonfires for every righty ogre."

Now let me go and meditate in peace an harmony.

OOOOMMMMMMMMMMmmmm BOGA Viti Viti OOOOOMMMMMMmmmmmmmm”

“I love to see liberty and Ashcroft used in the same sentence. Cracks me up. Ashcrack is the antithesis of liberty and personal freedom. But then so is ultra-conservative christianity...the very embodiment of evil in the world. The greatest trick the Devil played on humanity was convincing them that christianity is the path to salvation!

Ashcrack isn't just for overturning Roe V Wade, he's for making women & doctors criminals for terminating a pregnancy that's life threatening to the mother, or the result of incest or rape. This stand is in no way representative of a vast majority of the population. And it doesn't represent a commitment to personal liberty, either.

Ashcrack, if not racist, has displayed some pretty questionable behavior to minorities. From blocking Ronnie White's nomination, to blocking desegregation in St. Louis, to praising that southern white supremist religious magazine that I can't remember the name of, to accepting an honorary degree from Bob Jones University, where the administration decided it was better to give up federal funding than give up their racist, segregationist ideology & policies.

Isn't it an interesting pick for attorney general, now that Bush has promised federal funds to sectarian social service programs. Do you think Ashcrack is going to vigorously enforce the law and make sure that these religious institutions aren't using either the the new federal monies or their own money that has been freed up from federal funds, for proselytizing? Not a chance. Again, this is not looking good for personal liberty, and not good for the establishment clause., Speaking of which, Ashcrack has NO problem with the idea of arbitrarily amending the constitution to reflect his extremist views.

Yeah, that conservative christians LOVE this choice for attorney general, makes me even more certain that christianity cannot possibly be the true path to God.”

“So Mutt, tell us what path to peace and tranquility you've chosen?”

“s.h., My path is my own. Aside from everyday life's pain and stresses, my path does indeed lead to peace, tranquility, and spiritual fulfillment.”

“Damn!”

“LOL! Okay Mutt ..... I believe ya brother. (Rolling eyes now and thinking I hope this guy doesn't go Postal on me.)

Well Mutt, I'll be moseying along now. (Walking away quick as I glance over my shoulder periodically.)”

“ok, chalk up one ad hominem attack from the forum's right wing christians.

Not exactly a substantive method of defending ashcroft or your religion, s.h.

Let's see if some of your more resourceful and dynamic brethren can do better.”

“I'm not sure who mentioned ashcroft and liberty in the same sentence. one thing i do know is that this country was, without question, based on PRINCIPLE. when politicians and citizens alike spout off with no regard for any principle, than there is not much you can do, neither party has a monopoly on good ideas, but it is very hard to take them seriously if those ideas completely contradict the premise of american life. the premise of american life is what has defeated slavery, pushed civil rights to fruition, and what will inevitably, if this country's life is to be long, defeat any other challenges to its foundation.”

“Bush and his baby-killers are DECONSTRUCTIONISTS.
Their ideology moves them to undo anything and everything progressive that has been done in this country from DAY ONE.

I could see a move to restrict voting to white male land-owners.
Hey, they don't want stupid and lazy people voting!

On a more realistic note, I can see the possibility of a severe cut-back in federal funding for education, especially higher education.
Since Klinton came along $$$ for college has gone WAY up.
Right-wing ideology doesn't go along with that sort of "wasteful" spending.
The thinking is, "that if you can't afford to send your kids to college, tough sh!t".”

“I agree with Baume 66”

“I agree with Baume 66”

“Damn!”

“my last comment for this thread is: we all would have a lot more $$$$$$ to do a lot of things, if we actually had any control over it whatsoever.”

“"OOOOMMMMMMMMMMmmmm BOGA Viti Viti OOOOOMMMMMMmmmmmmmm"
solitary hiker

oooooo baby, I love it when you talk that way...i can feel the vibes....
but be careful...if you do it long enough, you could go blissfully blind, see god, and start to love everyone....
you might be arrested for that these days....”

“Sour Grapes!”

“chunga, I agree that principle is a desirable force behind policy, and that it's at least better than special interest influence. That democrats somehow are intent on destroying the fabric of the nation is going to require some explanation, though.

Tom Terrific, I have to disagree with you on the education front. Dummy (dubya) knows that education has the ring of moderation and appeals to the oprah "it's for the children" crowd. What I think dummy will do is enact policy that will leave no choice but to push teachers to teach their students how to pass whatever "accountability" tests he devises. Also, I think he'll use this initiative to further drain money from public schools to fund religious schooling, perhaps in the the form of vouchers (ashcrack won't bat an eye at this btw). But take away money from higher education? I'm not so sure. He's fooled too many moderate soccer moms with his supposed commitment to education. After his extremist picks for various administration offices, he's going to need a moderate-looking initiative to fall back on.

come one, isn't there any conservatives with a capacity to argue the ashcrack issue better than solitary hiker or bacpac? These imbecils do a real disservice to your side........”

“i knew i couldn't keep away from this thread. lol.

mutt- my message is not that dems are intent on.....my message is that there are those on both sides helping to do so, but the underlying principles of each party should have a starting point that doesn't contradict liberty. gun control advocates, anti-school choice advocates, those who believe tax cuts mean the government spending money, rather than citizens being returned money they themselves paid, etc. most if not all of the advocates on those issues are aligned with lots of money in the dem party. trial lawyers, labor unions(with no paycheck protection) the teachers unions. the repub also have monied interests. the problem lies in the fact that the presidency and senate are for the high profile, with few exceptions. the local level is where the real work is done.”

“Mutt to be perfectly blunt, you're not worth my time. Obviously you have some personal issues that you need to deal with. It doesn't have anything to do with John Ashcroft either.
I'm not in the mental health business but you strike me as being paranoid to the point of being delusional. Please do us all a favor and go take your medication.”

“yada yada yada”

“Stay away from my medication.....NO!, you can't have it.....its MINE!!!

"Paycheck Protection" has a nice ring to it.
It makes a nice slogan for right-wingers to go with all the others such as, "Partial Birth Abortion",
"Defense of Families", etc.”

“keep in mind that mutt is a gutless troll,without balls enough to use the name. we know him/her as. Isnt the first step to a healthy debate being upfront enough to identify yourself.”

“Solitary Hiker, WTF? Go back and reread my last post, dummy. Did I say I wanted to hear from you? NO, I said I wanted to hear from anybody BUT you. That you responded anyway with yet another ad hominem attack tells me 1) you're not very bright, 2) you have NOTHING of substance to add to the debate, and 3) you're boring.

By the way, you shouldn't try to talk smack - it's embarrasing. "take your medication mutt." Dude, that's just lame.

So here's an idea for you: STFU unless you have something substantive to input.
That should keep you quiet for quite a while.”

“Hyperpacker, you think I'm a Trail Talk regular that has created the alias "mutt" to troll under? BWAHAHAHAH! You dolt! Why make such a lame snap judgement based on no evidence? Oh, I forgot, you're a fire & brimstone christian. You're used to making the worst judgements about people. Great personality trait.

If you want to rebut my opinions, then do so. But personally attacking me like that puts you down there in the muck with solitary hiker & bacpac. Too bad, because I think you could say something interesting if you tried.”

“Solitary Hiker, be afraid. Be very afraid. 'Ogre' is 'Gore' spelled sideways.

mooooooooHAHAHAAAAAAA!”

“Mutt to quote you " why make a such a lmae snap judgement based on no evidence..." its the same thing you did on the slow sunday a.m. thread when you basically say "no brainwashing for the intelligent",which implies all church goers are unintelligent. To use your favorite line " another ad hominem attack..."

Mutt, you know you are a troll. You have made that abundantly clear in the past.
I truly like your attempt to draw me in to this debate. A small attempt at flattery , plus a bit of insult. I dont mind being associatted with sol. hiker or bacpac, at least they are willing to stand up and be counted for what they believe in(without hidin).

I am not going to argue with you point for point because it would be pointless,neither of us will be swayed, plus it would just play into your little game, I enjoy it from time to time but It is the same old thing. I grow weary of it. But Kudos to you for your effort!”