Bush's Speech

“Though I'm late getting into this one, I?ll weigh in anyway.

As for the speech, Bush delivered it well. Regardless of who "crammed it down his throat" it is consistent with his message throughout the campaign. Makes me (a McCain supporter) feel a little bit better about the vote I finally made. Quite unlike the last 8 years and the many renditions of Gore.

In general I support the spending priorities. Though I might add more bucks to preservation.

I am concerned about locking us into the tax cut. Would rather see a review each year on deficit/surplus projections and then implement if the surplus is close to that expected (automatic -- no additional votes needed). This way if things were off the next cut installment would be postponed for a year.

As for rapidly paying off the debt, government spending is simply too large a piece of the economy. Rapid payoff is contractionary and not necessarily a good move at this time.

The other side of the equation is fiscal discipline. If I had to choose though, I'd rather have deficits IF it meant Congress would increase spending at a slower rate.

But all in all this is a better plan than I expected, and I believe a great deal better than we would have gotten from Gore.

And to the "can't let go" idea that the election was ?stolen.? The latest news from Florida says regardless of tactics employed by both campaigns -- under our system -- the electoral winner really is the guy in office.”

“radagast:

Ease off, hoss. Just seeing if you have a pulse. I don't expect a reply as you're out in the 'great outdoors '

secretly, I'm jealous. . . .
:)


PS: watch your mouth! profanity is the attempt of a feeble mind attempting to express itself forcefully (that was tacked up on my barber's wall)”

“actually, i am leaving this afternoon. i, too, have to work today, just to pay a large chunk o' the tax burden.

i worked last saturday to comp friday and i learned all of those naughty words from walkindude!”

“Whether you like Bush or not, it was a well delivered speech with a definite intent at bipartisanship. In contrast, the Democratic responses afterward seemed aloof, disingenuous and patronizing in both tone and comment (my personal opinion...in fact, I thought they were pre-recorded at first).

Not that I believe any politician about anything, all you have to do to get an applause from the congress is "promise" to help the environment, education, or protect social security. The vast majority do not care to hear the details of HOW. I suspect GW is trying to follow Reagan's formula for success rather than copy his father. It took Reagan several years to sell his tax cut and the economy his first three years in office was not that good. However, he persisted, was reelected, and had a high approval rating.

I truly think we are overtaxed. Our legislators should cut taxes AND spending to leave more in our pockets. Government is filled with waste and pork. I work full time and my wife works part time. We paid over $33,000 in federal and state (CA--very high...ironically thanks partly to Reagan) last year not to mention social security, medicare, property taxes, gasoline and state sales tax (7.75%). With three kids in college plus myself, we can use a tax cut. I figure the cut will pay over half of the cost of my three kids going to state universities.”

“TEHIPITE:

Uh, the reason that plan didn't work last time is 'cause the liberal tax-n-spenders were in control of the white house, house and senate and they took every dollar collected AND MORE and started/expanded buzagillions of federal programs. If the "government" would learn to live like you and me, they'd cut budgeted items (like GW is telegraphing)and stick to the darn budget! Not mad at you, just at the absolute corruption of the majority of government officials (democrats and republicans alike) and the entitlement attitude of so many americans. i LOVE my country but despise what it's become. I know GW isn't some "savior" (there's only one Savior, but that's another thread) but at least he has the balls to call things the way they are!

I crushed my soap box because I stood on it for so long. I need to nail it back together, so I'll get off of it. . . .”

“Check the tax burden in Wisconsin -- one of the highest. Who was governor the past 14 years, Tommy Thompson, a Republican. Who is part of GWB administration? Tommy Thompson? So tax relief better be a bipartisan effort because it hasn't happened here with a "conservative" running the show.”

“Burnt toast: 1) the Democrats were not in the White House from 1980 - 1992, which is when the deficit exploded; 2) the spending program that broke the bank was defense, which had huge increases in spending during the 1980s, and which was pushed by conservative Republicans.”

“Pretty much everybody knew Reagan's plan would lead to expanded deficits. George Bush senior knew that tax cuts and increased military spending would not lead towards more balanced budgets. Thats why he called it Reagan's plan "voodoo economics."

I think Reagan, or at least many of his key advisors knew it too - but felt that if a huge debt limited the governmetns ability to spend money, as well as launch and fund programs that that was really OK.”

“"Think for a second what that "debt" is: it's money owed to ourselves!"

Burnt Toast

NO! This is dead WRONG on the facts. Much of the debt is owed to people outside the US. A very sizable portion of the debt is owed to the Japanese.
This is a major problem with deficits. We depended on people in other countries to buy our debt.”

“"Some confuse the trade deficit with debt."
I've never seen anyone confuse the two.
People used to talk about the "twin" deficits: trade or balance of payments (both closely related) and the budget deficit. People in both major parties worried about how each of these twin deficits made the other worse.”

“I think if we really look at the facts... everyone congressperson and senator in office at the time is implicated in the government spending orgy of the early 80's and Reagan, despite his rhetoric did little to discourage it.

And still, from a macroeconomic perspective Reagan inherited high interest rates, high inflation, and no growth -- a totally unprecedented economic situation. Who knows, we certainly don't today (and I am not recommending a return to voodoo economics) but deep tax cuts AND a government spending orgy may be the only way to jump start such an economic situation.”

“Sounds a lot like Keynes to me, stevet.”

“How about making the tax cut optional? You can have the option of taking the tax cut or you can elect to send a personal check for the amount of the tax cut to the US Treasury Department for National Debt Reduction. (A personal bet would be that the Treasury Department's mail room isn't going to be flooded with mail).”

“I helped elect Cheney.”

“Baso, just buy stuff so you help the econimy(sp?). Take up smoking so that the goverment will make the most money from taxes on what you buy if you just want to give it back.”

“i live in Canada, so you are all screwed. that's what you get for trying to be an "experiment in democracy"

hell, you people don't even know how YOUR OWN country operates.”

“Jesse Ventura has pledged not to raise or spend any money on his Minnesota gubernatorial reelection campaign so he can stay unbeholden to any special interest groups. My guess is he will still win. What would happen to Bush (or Gore for that matter) if he stepped up to do the same?”

“Keynesnian-ish anyway. I do think that $20 spent by the government and $20 spent by a consumer both have $20 stimulative effect, but that in general consumers / the marketplace will spend the $$ more wisely than government -- like on things that are actually needed. So in general I'd favor a tax cut vs. more government spending if we want to goose the economy.

I think however the government can be a "damping" device on marketplace. I applaud Greenspan for popping the dot.commie bubble before it got any worse.”

“The Wilson-Bush Letters:
19 Hermes 80 p.s.U.
Your Royal Fraudulency King George II:
I wish to support your efforts to abolish as much as possible of the federal government and transfer its functions to faith-based organizations. I suggest that you should apply this idea especially to the controversial matter of capital punishment.
Let faith-based organizations take over our seasonal rites of human sacrifice; after all, they invented the institution in the first place, and it requires ardent faith to believe in it in the 21st Century. Distribute the boodle evenly to all faiths, so that Roman Catholics can burn offenders at the stake, in accord with their own faith-based system, Protestants can revive the public hanging, Moslems and orthodox Jews can employ stoning to death, Mormons can use bullets, Sikhs can chop off heads again, etc.
The federal funds so spent will not only boost the power of faith-based groups, but will proportionally decrease the influence of research-based groups, who often destroy faith and encourage doubt anyway.Think how much this will aid the drug war alone, along with most of your other programs, and you will see the long-range benefits of this modest proposal.
Hoping that this will meet with your approval, I remain

Your serf and servant,
Robert Anton Wilson
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 12:02:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Autoresponder@WhiteHouse.GOV
Subject: Re: Faith-based Executions
Sender: White.House.Mail.Relay.Autoresponder

The President@Whitehouse.Gov received your electronic mail message.

Thank you.”

“a modest proposal...
makes good sense to me!

moohahahaaaaaa

=:0”

“LOL! RAW strikes again.”

“According to Andy Rooney of 60 Minutes, Congress gave Pres Bush 81 standing ovations during his address speech.

Ask anyone in congress how many times they stood to clap, and I'll bet they'll say "Too Many!"”

“null”

“My friend's brother's cousin'sgirlfriend snuck out this advance copy of the speech Bush is to deliver tonight:


Thank you all. Well, thanks for that warm welcome. Welcome to your house.

Wherever our military has gone, they have brought pride to our own people and hope to millions of others. Every decision I made, I stand by. And I'm proud of the decisions I've made. It's a joy to walk in here every morning, realizing that I'm the President of the greatest country on the face of the Earth.

If we blink, the world's going to go to sleep, and I understand that. We expect nations to oppose all terrorists, not just some of them. No political cause can justify the deliberate murder of civilians. It must grate on them greatly. But that's what we're going to keep doing, because that's what America is about. Americans should not expect one battle, but a lengthy campaign, unlike any other we have ever seen.

We will rout out terror wherever it exists. You will not threaten the United States or use weapons of mass destruction against us, or our allies or friends. We will rout out the evil ones I call the axis of evil. We will use whatever means are necessary to achieve our objective.

Everyone needs some cause larger than his or her own profit. If you want to fight evil, like your neighbor as if you would like to be liked yourself. It's important to be a confident country.

You know, in this town, sometimes people don't shoot straight with you. They kind of come in and tell you something and then they leave, and you're wondering what they said — or if they said something, whether they mean it. I can tell when they mean it. History has called us to action. I have asked all Americans to commit at least two years — 4,000 hours over a lifetime -- to the service of our neighbors and our nation. I've learned that you cannot lead by dividing people. I'm a uniter — not a divider. It is your duty to unite and love your neighbor like you would like to be liked yourself.

It doesn't matter how long it takes, this country will defend our freedoms. This country will defend civilization itself. This country will not let the acts of a few cold-blooded killers stand. A secure America is an America that is a compassionate America. A secure America is also an America that is willing to hunt down international killers one by one and bring them to justice. I want to talk about the challenges America faces. I worry about our security. I'm worried about our homeland security; I'm worried about our national security; and I'm worried about economic security. And that's what I want to talk to you about.

I've made up my mind, the tax relief plan we passed — which you're now beginning to feel the effects of — is going to be permanent. If the concern is more jobs, and people aren't lending money because there is no insurance against acts of terror, Congress needs to deal with it. We've got sound monetary policy. Interest rates are reasonable. If people want to borrow money, you don't have to pay a lot of interest.

I'm a strong proponent of the faith-based initiative, because I understand that government can hand out money, but it cannot put hope in people's hearts or a sense of purpose in people's lives. We love the idea of people being able to worship freely in America. I believe so strongly in the power of faith, I believe strongly that we must unleash the armies of compassion in every city in America to provide hope for people where hope doesn't exist. What we do today will determine whether or not our children and our grandchildren can grow up in a life that we knew. I'm one of these fellows that believes if you lower the bar, you get lousy results. If you believe in the best and raise the bar, you can get high standards. We're seeing the deep and universal desire of men and women to live in freedom. As Americans, this shouldn't surprise us. We believe that no force, no threat, can make human beings love tyranny. We believe that the appeal of liberty will, in time, overcome any coercive power on Earth. As long as it takes, we will prevail. Out of evil is going to come some good. This country has a great chance to lead the country toward a great tomorrow.

It is my honor to come and visit with you all. You're citizens, as you know, of the greatest country on the face of the Earth. And I'm sure proud to be the President of the greatest country on the face of the Earth. God bless you all and God bless America.”

“Outstanding bit of gobbledygook, there. It sounds just like him, LOL

Sooooo, how much will Iraq cost us over the next five years if we don't bring it the UN?

<G>”

“George W. Bush The White House, USA
Past Work Experience

I ran for US Congress and lost.
I produced a Hollywood slasher B movie.

I bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas; the
company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.

I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using taxpayer money.

With my father's help and name, I was elected Governor of Texas.

Accomplishments as Governor

I changed pollution laws in favor of the power and oil companies
and madeTexas the most polluted state in the Union.

I replaced Los Angeles with Houston as the most smog-ridden city in America.

I cut taxes and bankrupted Texas government to the tune of billions in borrowed money.

I set the record for the most executions by any Governor in American history.

I became US President after losing the popular vote by over 500,000 votes with the help of major Enron money and my father's appointments to theSupreme Court.

Accomplishments as President

I attacked and overtook two countries.

I spent the US surplus and effectively bankrupted the US Treasury.

I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in US history.

I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period.

I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the US stock market.

My record for environmental issues is the least of my concerns.

I am the first president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.

I set the all-time record for most days on vacation in any one year period.

After taking-off the entire month of August, I then presided over the worst security failure in US history.

I am supporting development of a "Tactical Bunker Buster" nuke, a WMD.

I am getting our troops killed, under the lie of Sadam's procurement of Yellow Cake Nuke WMD components, then blaming the lie on our British friends.

I set the record for most campaign fundraising trips by a US president.

In my first year in office over 2-million Americans lost their jobs and that trend continues every month.

I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period.

I appointed more convicted criminals to administration than any
president in US history.

I set the record for least amount of press conferences than any
president since the advent of television.

I signed more laws and executive orders effectively amending or
ignoring the Constitution than any president in history.

I presided over the biggest energy crisis in US history and refused to intervene when corruption involving the oil industry was revealed.

I presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use national reserves as past presidents have done.

I have cut health care benefits for war veterans and support a cut in duty benefits for active duty troops and their families -- in war time.

I have set the all-time record for most people worldwide to
simultaneously protest me in public venues (15 million people)
shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind.

I've dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.

I've made my presidency the most secretive and unaccountable of any in US history.

I'm proud that the members of my cabinet are the richest of any
administration in US history.

My "poorest millionaire," Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her.

I am the first president in US history to have almost all 50 states of the Union simultaneously suffer massive financial crisis.

I presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in history.

I am the first president in US history to order a preemptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation, and I did so against the will of the United Nations and the world community.

I created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.

I set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending
increases, more than any president in history.

I am the first president in US history to have the United Nations
remove the US from the Human Rights Commission.

I am the first president in US history to have the United Nations
remove the US from the Elections Monitoring Board.

I removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of
congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US
history.

I rendered the entire United Nations viewpoints irrelevant.

I withdrew the US from the World Court of Law.

I refused to allow inspectors access to US "prisoners of war"
(detainees) and thereby have refused to abide by the Geneva Convention.

I am the first president in history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 US election).

I am the all-time US and world record-holder for receiving the most corporate campaign donations.

My largest lifetime campaign contributor, and one of my best friends, (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation) presided over the largest corporate bankruptcy fraud in US history. My political party used the Enron private jets and corporate attorneys to assure my success with the US Supreme Court during my election decision.

I have spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history.

I garnered the most sympathy for the US after the World Trade Center attacks and less than a year later made the US the most resented country in the world, possibly the largest failure of diplomacy in World history.

I am actively working on a policy of "disengagement" creating the most hostile of Israel-Palestine relations in at least 30 years.

I am first president in history to have a majority of Europeans (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and security.

I am the first US president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the US than by their immediate neighbor, North Korea.

I changed the US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.

I set an all-time record for the number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling their huge personal investments in corporations bidding for US contracts.

I failed to fulfill my pledge to capture Osama Bin Laden, dead or
alive.

I failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the US Capitol Building. Even after 18 months I have no leads and no credible suspects.

In the past 18 months following the World Trade Center attack I have successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States.

I removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any president in US history.

In a little over two years, I created the most divided country in
decades, possibly the most divided since the Civil War.

I entered my office with the strongest economy in US history and have turned every single economic category downward -- all in less than two years.

Records and References:

I have at least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine. My Texas driving record has been erased and is not available.

I was AWOL from the National Guard.

I refuse to take a drug test or even answer any questions about drug use.

All records of my tenure as Governor of Texas are now in my father's library, sealed, and unavailable for public view.

All records of SEC investigations into insider trading or bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.

All records or minutes from meetings that I, or my Vice-president, attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.

~ Please consider my experience when voting in 2004. ~

Send this to every voter you know.”

“I copied and used the above as a resume for a mob job.”

“i hate this president with every fiber of my being----

every liberal on here”

“Is that fiber or fibre?”

“Go GWB
God Bless America”

“forrest, i suppose your nonpartisan sources haven't told you that the dow jones just finished it's 6th consecutive month UP...the nasdaq it going on 8 months in a row UP, the economy grew close to 5 percent last quarter, production is UP, wages are UP, new houses are UP....funny how real facts keep screwing up your theories and wishes.


i'm so bored and tired of going over this stuff with people who really have no desire for truth and our national interest at heart.

JIHAD BUSH!”

“If Bush is gone, then be prepared to fight the terrorists here.............I am.”

“Here's the line I particularly like: "Everyone needs a cause greater than his or her own profit". (Said under his breath... "unless they work for Haliburton or any of my other campaign contributors. By the way, has anybody seen Kenny Boy lately?")”

“Let's face it Strat, nothing Bush could have said will please the left. If G-d Himself dropped down from the heavens during His speach and said, "This is my anointed one in whom I am well pleased.", it would change nothing in their eyes. All they know is hate and attacks for their own parties gain.”

“nigey, that's EXACTLY right. he could give clinton a BJ in the oval office while wearing a blue dress and they'd find fault with it...


dan, look at the dems tops 5 contributing gorups...trail lawyers, the NEA(government employees), and big media top the list....they got their own propaganda machine going and you act like there's no influence at all in the democratic party.

7 out of the top 10 richest congress people are democrats.

by far, most huge donations(ie;from rich people) go to dems while the VAST majority of donations to repubs is from ordinary citizens and in small amounts.

JIHAD BUSH!”

“"by far, most huge donations(ie;from rich people) go to dems while the VAST majority of donations to repubs is from ordinary citizens and in small amounts."

I head a story on NPR that the dems who raided and bltched for finance reform are now praying that it gets over turned by the Supreme Court. In the first 6 months under the new finance rules the republicans have raised $85 milloin more than the dems could raise. I laughed 'til I have tears running down my face.”

“The democrat party is owned by a slightly less offensive group of special interests, in my opinion.

Both parties are, however, beholden to the money that funds them.”

“That's the first thing I can ever remember you saying that I agree with, Phaedrus.”

“I like backpacking too. :)”

“Whoa, 2 in one night...stop it mister, you're scaring me.”

“strat

You guys just can't get over that BJ thing can you? I'll take a president getting a BJ in office and lying about it, rather than one who llies about war and gets kids killed.

Your info on the economy is interesting. Things were great when that evil fornicator was in office. After the mess W has created things can only get better.

Now he needs $87 billion for Iraq.
My parents need help with their prescription drugs. They are SOL.”

“same rederick same speech different day”

“Yep - nothing like a job-loss recovery to make one nostalgic for the jobless recovery that lost Daddy Bush the throne.”

“I agree Phaed [getting woozy] that both parties are slaves to the bucks.

Jo- I was never bothered by Billy's BJ. It was the fact that he broke the law and purgered himself in court that bugs me.”

“Bush read his script very nicely.”

“Hooked On Phonics works well, Tom”

“OK Nigal...I understand about it bugging you. It bothered me too. He dithered away good oppurtunities to get important work done. There.

Now......does Bush's lying about WAR and the combat death's your countries young people bug you as much, or isn't that as important.

The picture of Bush on the front page of the paper this morning looks like the Mad magazine guy. He wants $87 billion. Good grief.”