Bush's Speech

“I read it. It was another example of the libbies complaining without solutions. What's your point Violin?”

“He made several concrete suggestions.

You can disagree with their merit, but to say no solutions have been offered makes you look dishonet, ill-informed or dull.

Take your pick.”

“there was no relation between 911 and iraq-but he keeps pushing it -the saudies did it-but they are our friends-so”

““there was no relation between 911 and iraq-but he keeps pushing it -the saudies did it-but they are our friends-so”

Exactly. Just like Cuba is evil and against human rights but China is our favored nation.”

“Looks, guys, the Marmot Precip is the Top Selling Rain Jacket at Backcountry.com, and no one has mentioned it? And you keep talking about politics? Where's your priorities. This is wonderful news. CONGRATS TO MARMOT® PRECIP!”

“Violin - Please be specific. What solution did he offer?

http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_8564.shtml

But Kerry’s 11-hour carpet bombing of Bush comes too little, too late. After all, Kerry was the one dodging every tough question about what he’d do in Iraq in his transparent disdain for our U.S. military.”

“I think disdain for war-mongers is appropriate.

The military is to be respected until proven otherwise.......on an individual basis.”

“MarkO, how about you join up?”

“I thought you read it sarge, not about it. A couple of suggestions were to immediately announce that we would have no military bases in Iraq and to bring in militias to fill the security void while the national army is being trained.”

“I did read it Violin. What I posted was a commentary. Duh. I read it yesterday before Bush's speech.

So withdraw? Now? You don't think that's stupid? Militias? Different than the army how? This is junk dude. That's not a plan. He knows it. Cut and run would only cause more deaths and he knows it, so do you. Be serious.”

“Also to take up the offers of other countries to train troops outside of Iraq:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/opinion/28kerry.html?hp”

“LOL! What? Take troops out of Iraq to train them.

LOL! You've got to be kidding. Are you serious? I'm serious here Violin ... do you really think that would work? OMG!”

“I did, PACKER.

10 April, 1987.
I completed 13 weeks of infantry training 5 September.

26 September, 1987 I turned 35.

I joined Company A 3/172 Inf(mtn) of the Vermont National Guard.

At the time I joined I had been married for 5.5 years and my two oldest boys were 1 and 4.

I finished in April, '91.

The Mountain Battalion's mission is mountain warfare specializing in winter warfare.

I'm just a tad over the hill right now for military service, but I can keep up with almost anyone when it comes to backpackin'.”

“Morning:

Demmies: "There aren't enough forces in Iraq."

Afternoon:

Demmies: "Take troops out of Iraq."”

“I'll never understand you America haters. You filthy scum irritate the hell out of me, making this country a living breathing pigpit. Morals, Values, none of it means anything to you liberal scum.

I hope all your #&%!$es shrivel and fall off.”

“If you read it, you would know that he didn't propose to 'cut and run'. He wanted Bush to denounce a "permanent military presence".

Again - you are free to disagree - and in a democracy we should have a free exchange of ideas - but to say no alternatives have been offered is a lie. Stop lying.”

“Violin, you UFO buff America-hater.”

“Oh ÜLTRApacker, you're crackin' me up!!!”

“Who the hell are you calling a nazi you little #&%!$?!?”

“LOL - Bush ALREADY denounced a permanent military presense. He did that before the new government took over, and he did it last night!

Dude, do you even listen to Bush or just the moveon.org crowd?”

“Filthy liberal toilet divers!”

“THat's Nazi with a capital N, ÜBERpacker.”

“Is this guy for real?”

“A little over a year ago, I spoke to the Nation and described our Coalition's goal in Iraq. I said that America's mission in Iraq is to defeat an enemy and give strength to a friend -- a free, representative government that is an ally in the war on terror, and a beacon of hope in a part of the world that is desperate for reform. I outlined the steps we would take to achieve this goal: We would hand authority over to a sovereign Iraqi government … we would help Iraqis hold free elections by January 2005 … we would continue helping Iraqis rebuild their nation's infrastructure and economy … we would encourage more international support for Iraq's democratic transition … and we would enable Iraqis to take increasing responsibility for their own security and stability.

I recognize that Americans want our troops to come home as quickly as possible. So do I. Some contend that we should set a deadline for withdrawing U.S. forces. Let me explain why that would be a serious mistake. Setting an artificial timetable would send the wrong message to the Iraqis -- who need to know that America will not leave before the job is done. It would send the wrong message to our troops -- who need to know that we are serious about completing the mission they are risking their lives to achieve. And it would send the wrong message to the enemy -- who would know that all they have to do is to wait us out. We will stay in Iraq as long as we are needed -- and not a day longer.”

““I'll never understand you America haters. You filthy scum irritate the hell out of me, making this country a living breathing pigpit. Morals, Values, none of it means anything to you liberal scum.

I hope all your #&%!$es shrivel and fall off.”
ULTRAPacker

Now there's a plan from the right!”

“Tree, I think the guy likes this game!”

“TReebeard, you hippy sleaze, just get out of my business, if your liberal masters will allow it. Get back to kissing hillary's feet!”

“I guess so. I just love when these other dudes accuse the "lefties" of nothing but name calling and this sort of gibberish. Well, he appears to be one of yours, you guys! Enjoy him!”

“If this is your business, then you can have it! Consider me out of it, ok?”

“"I think it's also important for the president to lay out a timetable as to how long they will be involved and when they will be withdrawn."
- George W. Bush, 6/5/99



"Setting an artificial timetable would send the wrong message to the Iraqis -- who need to know that America will not leave before the job is done. It would send the wrong message to our troops -- who need to know that we are serious about completing the mission they are risking their lives to achieve. And it would send the wrong message to the enemy -- who would know that all they have to do is to wait us out."
- George W. Bush, 6/28/05
last edited: 6/29/05 2:53:58 PM”

“Sarge seems a decent man.”

“Geez, call a Goebbels a Goebbels and he starts slobberin' all over his jackboots.”

“Violin - He did that. Weren't you listening?”

“Marko, I bet Sarge could whup you.”

“Trolling, Trolling, Trolling on the river ...”

“Crybabies.”

“Hey ULTRApacker, what's the matter, you a slob?

Sarge may be a nut but I don't think he's that kinda guy.”

“where is SS so he can see the name calling coming from the Reps. He would be shocked to see this.”

“How do you know? Did you ASK him?”

“I like this game!”

“Hey, Ewk. Leave him alone. He's adding a lot of "credibility" to that bunch!

He's got me up for treason now!”

“I bet you DO like this game, Marko, you little nancy boy!”

“treason..damn tree what did you do”

“He said he worked for Nixon. So, I asked him if it was an "under the desk" job...”

“I'm havin' fun and you're not, ULTRAman!!”

“He can dress it up how he likes. I mean Iraq has to work now, failure is unthinkable, though possible. But it doesn't now appear that the invasion and resulting chaos in Iraq has made America any safer than it was when Saddam was nicely in his box and posed no threat to the US. The other gains made against terrorists could likely have been made without invading Iraq.
It seems to have enhanced and provided untold recruits for a terrorist movement which will prolly become more dangerous than AQ in the long run.

Invasion of Afganistan - completely the right thing to do, in fact more troops should have been sent to capture Bin Laden.
Iraq - has it made America any safer when it appears it wasn't a source of terroroism - doubtful.

It may work out better strategically for America than it is now in the long-term - if Iraq succeeds as a Democracy. If it doesn't Bush has taken a huge poorly calculated risk, failed and could potentially cost America dear.”

“I remember hearing a lot of that from the right when Clinton was President. SSDD”
lumberzac
1:31:36 PM
6/29/05

Can you cite some examples?”

“Another "support the troops" flashback:

"I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarified rules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our overextended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today"
-Representative Tom Delay, 1999”
VioLiN
1:54:50 PM
6/29/05

When did Violink start quoting people without posting his source?”

“Now there's a plan from the right!”
Geobeet
2:46:39 PM
6/29/05

Check out whitehouse.gov if you want to see a plan. Where do I need to go to find a plan from the Democrats?”