another school shooting

“this morning in CA SANTEE, a freshman kill 2 and wounded 13. Friends and parents knew that he was planning this and thought he was joking.”

“People don't kill people--GUNS DO!!!



BAN GUNS!!!



THEY'RE EVIL!!!!!”

“Just saw the broadcast on CNN. It's horrible. Why does this stuff keep happening? All of these shootings are by kids who are picked on by other kids. It's like kids today are so desensitized to violence that if one gets picked on/beat up enough he's gonna come back with a gun. Everybody thinks "that won't happen here". I knew a lot of kids in school that got picked on because of their social status, family income/profession, race, clothing, music, etc. What makes people act like that? I see it even now in the adult world, and it frustrates me so much. Adults, though, have generally better control of their emotions and more of a sense of consequences. Children don't.”

“Not so sure. . . Parents need to spank their kids and let 'em know that the world doesn't revolve around them.

Plus, they need to start acting like parents--my mom always said, "Garbage in, garbage out." THROW OUT THE TV. Go to PTA meetings. Talk to your kids. parenting isn't a 9-5 job.

However, when a dumb kid like this (I couldn't care less if he felt picked-upon)does something like this, adults need to stand up and hold them accountable.”

“I think ALL disputes should be settled over a nice game of chess.

Checkmating somebody's king is much more satisfying then splattering somebodies brains.”

“You've never played Counter Strike.

I head that the kid told his friends that he was going to do it the day before and they didn't tell anybody. They even searched him for the gun the day of and failed to find it. This trajady could have been prevented, but it wasn't.”

“If you take a way guns people will kill with knives and ect. Its people kill people.

H2SO did you know that more people die each year from smoking tobacco products then from guns.

Or more people die from car crashes then from guns.”

“So outlaw cars, too.
We'd all be better off.”

“Go back about 30 years on the bookshelf and read John Brunner's novel "Stand on Zanzibar." He predicted these events. He referred to the perpetrators as "muckers," persons who take vengeance on their families, friends, coworkers, public at large, associating the irrational behavior with the ever increasing irrational nature of modern life.

The title, I recall vaguely, refers to a statistic about how many square feet a human will have to themselves if population density continues to grow.”

“This scares me, I want to be a Highschool History Teacher, I'm actually thinking about getting a bullet proof vest for safety sake. No joke, school is getting scarry.

On the gun kill people vs. the people kill people arguement, if you take out the guns, there's less of an opportunity to cause as much dammage. It takes longer to stab 10 people with a knif then unload on them with a gun.

BAN GUNS!!!!!! They are much too dangerous!”

“Where is this school? My guess it is another non-inner city school. While I do not deny the tragic nature of this school shooting and of the incident at Columbine, I get mad that people ignore the violence that occurs in inner city schools every day. There are schools where fights, knives, and hand guns are regular occurrences. Who's fault is this? Parents, society, pop culture, mass media, the schools themselves? If it's one of them, it's all of them. Basically what I'm saying is not to forget the issues taking place in all schools. Just because a suburban school may produce better students (due to a number of different factors), it doesn't mean that it deserves more attention or resources than any other school.”

“oldie, its not every day that a student wackes out 2 people.”

“Ice tea, unfortunately it does happen everyday, or nearly. Drive by shootings don't get much press anymore, but it is still kids killing kids. I think the school shootings are so much more shocking, because we have always regarded school as a santuary.”

“The media sucks. When Ice Tea mentioned 2 kids were dead, my news didn't have any fatalities.

The media was there to stick there cameras & mikes into the faces of these shocked students, and even got one student to reveal the name of the shooter. He said the shooter was his friend and mentioned shooting people, but from his perspective, he didn't think his friend was that type. The reporter then says to him that he should have told the school. These media people are so irresponsible. What nerve! They shouldn't even be questioning this kid without his parents being present.

Then they go back to the station, where the commentator says that they won't release the name of the student yet. I guess they are not releasing the name until they make sure the parents of the child have been told.

This kid was plenty nuts. He was shooting kids and smiling at the same time.”

“Yes, it does happen every day. Things like this that are reported on the national news generall happen in suburban or rural schools. And they are reported because they occur in these "good schools." Tea, Don't just accept what the media feeds you. There is a lot more going on than what they say. Lots of what you see is ratings driven. We have a problem society wide when children are driven to gangs, and violence. Look beyond the headlines.”

“From everything I have seen he told a bunch of people he was going to do this. He even told his nieghbor not to go to school today because of his plan. WHY DIDN'T ANYONE LISTEN!?

With each past incident it was easy to look at and feel like,"hey this is far away, it could never happen here" This hits way to close to home for me. Santee is only 30 miles away and my wife drive by Santana HS every day. It make me think that home schooling our kids is the best thing.”

“Reminds me of a novel by Kurt Vonnigut. I can't remember which one, his writting style seems to make one book to another sort of meld into a bunch of ideas.

Anyway, he said he doesn't have heroes and villians, huge plot points, or finalies in his books because there aren't any in real life.

Part of his point was that people go out and run over their boss, shoot someone, start wars, run away, kill themselves, etc. because they belive that will "End" their situatuation. That people are so programed by stories, movies, plays, books, etc. that all have the hero defeating some villian, or overcomming some great adversary. He said that these things build a mind set that makes peole look only as far as solving this immediate problem or situation.

He said something to the effect that his idea of a perfect story would be the guy having to wake up the morning and having to deal with the situation as well as all the other mundane things in our lives.

I guess the point I'm trying to get across is that even though guns do kill people, and they are used by people to do so (gons never just point themselves at someone and go off), it is the idea that problems can be just solved by drastic and dramatic action without consequenses like in a Bronson movie.”

“It seems daddy couldn't be bothered enough to keep his precious guns away from his psycho son.”

“Wow Rosey you sure added depth and reason to this thread.”

“It doesn't happen every day???
I bet no one outside of Las Vegas heard about the police shooting to death a 16 yr. student last week? Of course the kid got what he had coming, stepping out of a stolen car with what appeared to be a gun in his hand (it ended up being a fake).
And the high school teacher who had been missing since Friday? They found her body last night.
I try not to watch the local news, it's just too depressing.”

“"Deputies arrested the suspect without incident at 9:28 a.m., Sheriff Bill Kolender said. Meanwhile, police and school officials evacuated the 1,900-student school and escorting the students, some of them crying as they left, to a nearby shopping center."

"Kolender would not speculate on a motive but said the shooting did not appear to be racially motivated. ?There did not appear to be any minorities? among the victims, he said."

Come on man, people are dead. It doesn't matter what color their skin was, dead is dead.”

“BaSO4, are you kidding me? You wouldn't mind the blacks killing whites, "dead is dead"? If you were the one to be picked to be killed by a black person, I think you would rather they kill each other.

I do, however, not appreciate them saying it's a racial thing without being sure.”

“Happened just over the hill from my place. Media here is makeing a freakin circus of it. I feel for the ones involved, but this town is full of kids, full of schools and full of GUNS! Guess what, this sh!t is gonna happen, it's a given.”

“LH, you said & I quote, "... You wouldn't mind the blacks killing whites, "dead is dead"? If you were the one to be picked to be killed by a black person, I think you would rather they kill each other."

Are you actually saying that it's better for blacks to kill other blacks then for blacks to kill whites??? Do you really believe this?!?!

Just 'cause your skin's white & someone else's is black, brown or polka dot, does that make your life worth more than theirs?Tell me it ain't so!!!”

“oh man, here we go!!!!!”

“She just said that she would rather have them kill some one other than her self.”

“tea,

don't ever stop beautiful women from scrapping it out.”

“No T, she said, "If you were the one to be picked to be killed by a 'black person', I think you would rather they kill each other."

She didn't say, "If you were the one picked to be killed, I think you would rather they kill someone else." Completely different context there. The first one segregates based on skin colour, the second one doesn't.

Why does skin colour have to play such an important role? Would you think I was just saying 'I wish they'd kill someone beside me' if I said, "If those alcoholic Indians are going to get pissed & kill someone with their car, why can't the kill another drunk Indian instead of me?" See what I'm getting at?”

“Guns don't kill people, people kill people!”

“D'oh! That should be 'they' not 'the'...”

“I think it is best if I just stay out of this thread.


LH, I did what I could with out incrimination my self”

“what ever happened to the good old days, when these twits just killed themselves?”

“Kill your TV...
Especially if you have children.
Carefully CHOOSE what movies you allow them to see.
Help shape your childrens' values by making sure gratuitious violence is not part of their daily curiculum.
Keep them damn violent computer games out of your home.
When the kid is finally old enough to make responsible life decisions (18 is a good place to start), they can start to catch up on all that gore they missed out on when they were in grade and high school.”

“Rad if you are saying that the gangs should just kill there own and leave the innocent bystanders alone. Then I must agree.”

“well, that, too.

i was talking about suicide, though.”

“Mel your aren?t true. I have watched R rated films since I was 10 (mostly action flicks). I have always played video games like doom, Duke nukem, half-life, .ect. In addition, I think that I have turned out okay. I don't do any thing that is illegal, I'm very respectful. I'm an alter boy, I suffer threw the show Ally McBeal just to please my mom, because she likes it and she likes me to watch TV with her. I run track for my school, I'm on the student congress, I will be an eagle scout shortly, I have earned religious rewards threw boy scouts, I'm very knowledgeable about politics, and most of all I have a conchens(sp?).

I believe that it has more to do with the parents and how they care for the off spring. Also I have a belief that the name that a child is given has to do with the personality.”

“damn! i KNEW my parents shouldn't have named me Bartholomew SerialKiller Smith!”

“LOL”

“medic girl, I understand what you are saying, but disagree, but maybe my words aren't clear enough. I should have said that I think blacks should kill other bad blacks, not innocent black people.

Look at the mafia. I'm Italian, and I think the mafia should kill each other, and not harm innocent Italians or any other innocent people.

I never mean to be predjudice. I just look at the reality of what's happening in my neighborhood.

Ice, lol. Eagle Scout? That's a big honor isn't it? I think some presidents have been eagle scouts.”

“1,900 students can easily drown out the cry of some loner looking for attention and guidance.

I wonder what the student/teacher ratio is at that school? I had 1,900 students at my school but that was k-12.

Banning guns is not the solution and never will be the solution. And as far as I know this BOY had no father at home. He had a stepfather/boyfriend of the mother who had heard of this boys plan.

NO ONE took him seriously, not friends or family. And that should tell you something there. NOBODY CARED about this child and for that matter all others that have been lashing back at a system that doesn't care and guide them.

There is a connection in the making between these large suburban schools that have most likely a large student/teacher ratio and shootings. One can quickly feel alienated when placed into environment that does nothing to prevent that from happening.

This only tarnishes the image of guns slightly but when you get down to it there is more involved then just passing more gun laws. The banning of firearms will not curb the crisis that is happening to children these days.

Not wanting to point fingers or overgeneralize but there are alot of schitty parents out there that have fallen out of touch with their children. Children have begun to take it upon themselves to learn right from wrong and to teach one another.
This trouble starts at home and ends in the schoolyard. Schools can only provide so much teaching but the majority is needed to be taught at home. Things like discipline, honor, respect, humility, love, confidence, faith, integrity and on and on. These are elements/virtues that everyone of these problematic children have been lacking or don't fully understand the meaning of.”

“burnt toast - I'm not saying we shouldn't hold the shooter accountable, obviosly the kid had some serious psychological problems. I am saying that parents need to make their children understand that bullying is not acceptable behaviour.

Take away the guns, they go underground. Crazies still get 'em. Get counseling for the crazy potential shooters, the signs are not that obvious, it's not that easy. Eliminate the bullying behaviour, big step towards eliminating the shootings. And that behaviour is easily identifiable. Let's start by setting a good example for our kids in our everyday lives.”

“Ice tea, I agree 100%.”

“I'm glad some one does”

“LH, Thank you for the clarification! :-) It would be great if the 'bad' people(whatever their ethnic background or melanin level) would only kill other 'bad' people, instead of innocents, huh?

I agree with you Mel... get your kids away from the 'tube' and outside! They'll learn a greater respect for all living things from the outdoors & their parent(s) than they will watching Power Rangers & Digimon all day!”

“I never watched power fags or Digahole.”

“its not TV its the parents!!!”

“That's exactly what I mean T! Look at what an aware & responsible teenager you turned out to be!! :-)

Remind me to get my son in scouts....”

“"I never watched power fags or Digahole."

"Look at what an aware & responsible teenager you turned out to be!!"

LOL!!!!”

“ge thanks rad.”

“It's really about the fact that we've lost all the relationships that would see something like this coming. We've isolated ourselves from friends and families for numerous reasons-- the people who would help parents see the problem coming.”