China Is Our Enemy

“We know where our spy plane is. Give the communist b@st@rds 60 minutes warning, and then send in some precision guided weapons & blow the plane up. Pay the chinese cowards some reparations for damage to the airport, and then demand the release of the air crew at the threat of taking military action.

China is our enemy, and should be dealt with as such. Who's with me?”

“With 60 minutes warning they will have walked the airmen over to the plane and have them strapped to the fuselage.

How about 5 minutes.”

“Hey at least when we go to war with them we will look good in our new "Chinese Made" Black Berets.”

“My-y-y sister don't wanna get drafted
She don't wanna go
My sister don't wanna get drafted
My-y-y sister don't wanna get drafted
She don't wanna go
My sister don't wanna get drafted
No-oh-woh-oh-woh...

Wars are really ugly
They're dirty and they're cold
I don't want nobody
To shoot her in the fox hole, fox hole

I don't wanna get drafted
I don't wanna get drafted
I don't wanna get drafted
I don't wanna get drafted

fz”

“What the !$%& are we doing in China. The US needs to get their ass out of other peoples countries. I say more power to China for sticking up to Mr. Superpower Bush. Everyone over-sea's is chanting Anti American slogans for a reason. If we go into others ports, we should plan on being bombed, if we land in other people's airports, we should plan on them being held there. The US needs a good kick in the ass to get us of our high horse. We should be making friends with our power, not pushing people around.”

“This is a topic best left to our Armed Services pals wrt a conflict.

I think China has already had enough time to give the plane a good once-over...two or three times! Anyways, didn't we deplete our stockpiled weapons during the Gulf War and Bosnia conflicts?...Do we have the capabilities to go against China at this moment?

Answers...I need answers!”

“Ah Wild Child, Our plane was flying over international waters (which China considers it's historical territory, but it's international territory) when it was bumped/hit by one of Chinas fighter planes. It made an emergency landing at the closest air field which just happened to be in China. Now if they are truely our allias, as Clinton tried to make them, why are they holding our boys?”

“Doesn't China have the largest (but not necessarily most technicaly advanced) military in the world?”

“We're all gunna DIE!!!!!”

“Now, obviously Ms. Wild Child is NOT me, 'cause she is a bug hairy tunacrotch! Bush ROCKS and I think we should nuke the "little people." Of course, that'll drive the price of TNF and Patagonia gear even higher, as their factories would have no workers.

LaRock--geeze, man. Learn to spell. Or have your kid spell for you.

I hope Ragadass gets in on this--he's a tunasandwich, too!”

“If we leave the world alone to do what it wants, people will bitch because we aren't helping "our little brown brothers." If we take action, they bitch about medeling in others affairs. What the hell? China is a threat to our National Security. Dealing with them is not like our involvment in Kosovo. The reason there are so many military accidents lately is becuase Clinton's defence cuts are finally catching up to us. You don't want the draft? Increase military spending to get more troops to want to join. H2SO4, don't make be get basic on your ass.”

“What is a "bug hairy tunacrotch?"”

“We have to see what they are up to and they keep pretty close tabs on what we are up to. It keeps the imagination from running wild. I hate to lose our Technology to them but I am certain that we would be checking out their stuff If the roles were reversed.”

“Ain't no time to wonder why, Whoopie! we're all gonna die.”

“From my personal experience in China, which followed the Gulf War, the Chinese respect strength and willingness to act. Dithering is weakness, yet the complexity of Chinese government and military thinking and tradition requires a very thoughtful response on our part.

The arrest of American-based Chinese scholars and the bumping of our spy plane are not isolated incidents, I would propose. Throw in the fact that a high-level Chinese officer recently defected to the US (we finally told them he wasn't a missing person, but we didn't drop him off at their U.N. mission either), and the Chinese are in alert mode in regard to the Dubya administration. This is all a geopolitical test of Dubya's will.

The weakness the Chinese may perceive could be Colin Powell's history of advocating dialogue over action. While we may see mercy in the decision not to wipe Saddam's troops from the face of the earth, they see hesitancy at a moment of great victory. The Chinese have a sense of destiny that they believe is being frustrated by the West and its minions, such as Taiwan and Japan.

As to the largest army, numbers yes. Material and technique are lacking, but improving. As the F-15 "Eagle Driver" told the young guerillas in "Red Dawn" when they asked him who was on our side in the war with the Russkies, "800 million screaming Chinese." "But I thought there were more than a billion Chinese," replies the youth. "There were," answers the pilot.”

“Why did the crew land at all, as opposed to scuttling the plane? Seems like questionable judgement IMHO.”

“I shouldn't even get involved in this thread, but I can't not post. I'll keep it short, then leave.

Yes, we have the most powerful military in the world
Yes, we are the last remaining "Superpower"
Yes, China should turn the plane and crewmen over.
But NO, we should NOT antagonize China. To do so would be foolhearty for several reasons. 1, We have troops stationed all over the world in stalemate situations (the Balkans, Korea), why potentially add another situation like that to our list. 2, China is huge and has allies just like we do. If we antagonize China, we antagonize the CIS. Relations with the CIS is not the best right now, why make it worse. 3, Let's think about what would come of a war with China. Obviously, the CIS would get involved, our allies would probably eventually get involved. The chances of one side soundly defeating the other is pretty slim; the outcome would more probably result in a situation similar to what we have except with hundreds of thousands, maybe millions dead and higher tensions. Very little good has ever come out of war.

I agree with Wild Child (wow, I can't believe it). Simply being the most powerful political state in the world gives many people reason enough to hate us, why make it worse. Just because we have power, does not mean we should use it. Don't be so eager to use our military prowess, the consequences could be more than any of us would ever want to see.”

“Amen, Oldie.
I believe they have technologies aboard those planes to destroy the equipment, should they need to ditch. Hopefully it worked better than the shredders at the Tehran Embassy.”

“The Chinese have recently set up "listing posts" in Cuba to spy on the U.S. so what's wrong with us flying a spy plane close to there country to spy on them?

It is also generally accepted internationally that a faster moving aircraft i.e jet fighter, is responsible for avoiding slower moving aircraft i.e. propeller planes like the 1960's model spy plane involved in the collision. So the fact that the Chinese are demanding the U.S. take responsibility for this accident is utterly insane.

The problem in threatining military action before exhausting all other options is that China unlike the smaller nations who of late we appear so ready to use military measures against, has nuclear weapons. Not only that but there people are not as discontented as they were 10 years ago during the Teneman square demonstrations and are more likely to back the government in whatever actions it decides to take. And with the recent anti American attitude that seems to be prevailing since we bombed their embassy in Kosovo its likely they will be more than willing to engage us in a conflict. Ad to that the fact that America has a bad record when it comes to conflicts involving China, its a pretty tough position to be stuck in. I feel for the Men & or Women that have to sort this one out.”

“Are these crew members hostages? Was Elian Gonzales a hostage? Though Elian was a civilian and this crew is an "agent" of our gov't, can we not appreciate alittle better the frustration of the Cuban people?”

“At least clinton got some money when the chinese last got our technology.

The U.S. will never see the plane again. We thumbed our noses at the Soviets when they asked for their MiGs and submarine back, now China is doing the same. I'm sure China will pay for it though. They'll ship us a planeload of nike tennis shoes for free.”

“very scary”

“I'm fed up with this country. I'm gonna move to Canada (besides, prices on ARC'TERYX gear are much better :). Bush is a foreign policy and environmental idiot, as we've discussed before. Trying to outmuscle the Chinese is ridiculous, so we should all just realize that things could be exactly the same if they had to crash-land in Portland or somewhere. Has anybody noticed that generally the nations out there with the smallest armies have relatively the best quality of life? Look at Costa Rica. Sure, a small military can be a handy thing to have. But being Big Brother Superpower (and don't even think that our guys were just hangin out over there) isn't going to get anybody anywhere. Oh, and thank you Oldie. That was well put.”

“Hey pisgahforest, When are you leaving? Need a plane ticket? And please, don't let the door bump you on the a$$ when you go out.”

“Piss-Gay Forest:

Go to Canada you dumba$$! what, are you like 18 years old? we don't want your candy little lilly-white butt here, anyway.

that was supposed to be a "big" hairy tunacrotch. (my spellchecker was off).

piggas forest, you are a big hairy tunacrotch. what do you know about the environment and politics anyway--what you read from your 8th grade social studies book?

get the hell outta' here, you loser.”

“As I understand it, there is sensitive information "on" the plane that can be destroyed, but the plane itself does not have to be destroyed. So was that info destroyed?

I don't expect any less from China in their wanting to "debrief" these pilots while they are on their turf while they take apart the plane & rebuild it again.

At the same time, I think China should treat these pilots with kid gloves and shortly release them and the plane. We aren't at war.”

“Tee hee, I got debriefed once. Boy was my face red!”

“Gaaaaaawd, I can't believe how many pu$$ies post here.

Wild Child, you're a godless communist shemale.

Oldie, you're an effeminate masturbating push-over.

pisgahforest, you're a godd@mn coward & a communist sympathizing traitor. Get the he11 out of the USA before you get the cr@p beat out of you.

The United States has had its considerable influence WASTED during the 90's thanks to clinton's idiot foreign policies. Those slanty-eyed chinese peasants have long considered the US as their #1 enemy. We should have shown them what it means to be our enemy a long time ago. We should have contained them and kept them poor and defenseless. And we should have long ago armed Taiwan to the teeth so they could have invaded the mainland and overthrow the commies.

But no, instead of taking care of the china problem, pot smoking peacenik liberal scum invaded the whitehouse and bent the US down to suck chinese d!ck so they'd be our "strategic partners." Now we're the laughing stock of the world.

They're all traitors to democracy, American values, and the American Dream. F*ck them, and f*ck you pansies who side with the enemy.”

“I sense some hostility peeney. I for one am glad that you are here to demonstrate American values to those impotent fools.”

“what you are saying is i disagree with your opinion, therefore you are a pu$$y and i will kick your ass.

we need more men like this!”

“Oh, peeney, if you?re that tired of fellating the Chinese, you really should try saying no. If you don?t know how to say no in Chinese, I?m sure if you just covered your mouth while shaking your head they would get the idea. And I hope you?ve been using protection. There are an awful lot of Chinese, but I?m sure you know that.”

“Peeney, Are you gonna protect our "precious fluids?"”

“Just say, "Wo bu yao" (whoa boo yow). Means, I don't want/I don't like, as in Wo bu yao tai la. (I don't want it too spicy.) Just saying "bu yao" is usually enough. Or you can just nod after a good reaming and say "shei shei" (shay shay) or "thank you."”

“"Mr. President, I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed. But, I do say no more than ten to twenty million killed, TOPS. Uh, depending on the breaks."

General Turgidson in "Dr. Strangelove"”

“Ever since Nixon, all the presidents have been placating China. When Clinton first ran he attacked George Bush Sr. for the way he was kissing China's butt. Apparently, he thought George was kising the wrong cheek - 'cause he didn't kiss it any less often.

Still, to understand much about China's attitudes toward the west, you need to know a bit about history. For example: the opium wars, the boxer rebellion, the period of unequal treaties, the foreign concessions as well as the 20th century.”

“I hope Peeney is a troll, otherwise I am very afraid. If Peeney is that macho I'll gladly loan him a couple rifles, shotguns and pistols(haven't been used in years) and I'm sure we could all chip in and buy him air-fare to China so he can restore our National Honor ala Rambo.”

“limpy, lumpy, peeney, pekka. What kind of men have names like that?

But I digress. You see, not all men are annoying bastards. Some are dead.”

“Just remember, the Chinese know how to make Gore-Tex and all the other fancy schmancy stuff we take for granted. There's about 4 or 5 actual individual Americans who know how to make any of the stuff we need to live the way we like and you can bet that they aren't gonna share with us at the current prices if the Chinese don't keep making all the crap we buy at WalMart.

Yeah, let's nuke the Chinese and all the factories that make our lifestyle possible. We have trouble finding persons competent enough to run a McDonald's cash register (which was probably made in China). Let's see us resurrect the textile, appliance, etc. industries overnight in the U.S. Cripes, if you watched the Oscars, there were more Chinese in the front section than anyone but Anglos. This dragon isn't hidden anymore, so cut the jingoistic mumbo jumbo and clear your heads. The New World Order isn't necessarily what Bush Sr. thought it was going to be. Hang on, it may be a bumpy ride.”

“There is something to be said about waken the sleeping gaint.

Send them guns and democracy and let them take care of themselves. We need to continue our latent efforts to educated the masses over there about democracy. Sick Hollywood on them, flood them with more democratic propaganda. It (communism) will simmer for several more decades but eventually will collapse. They themselves will cure their ailment. The is no need for a out right war and American blood shed. I think the CIA , NSA, and all those others unknow entities should step it up a bit. Chi

I haven't seen the news yet but once we get the airmen back and if they refuse to return the plane, send in a tomahawk cruise missile in the middle of the night to clean the plane out. I know to much of a stiff arm but think of the kewl footage.”

“Ok, so I couldn't resist. More from me.

Wow Peeney, you're insults and four letter words sure prooved your point. I'm convinced.

On another note. The US has provided many opportunities for people, and is in general a pretty decent place to live, BUT it is not the do all and end all to world problems. There is always room for improvement. There are many things that the US is not so great at, and even downright bad at. We do not live in a paradise. It is naieve to assume that the US is always right, and to do what is in the best interest of the US (in some people's minds) would be the best for everyone. This is not a world where we can live by isolationist policies any more. It is a connected international world.”

“I don't know if China is my enemy, but I do know that the albatross and the whales they are my brothers. How do I know? Chris Christofferson told me:

If there's one thing in my life that I'm missing,
It's the time time that I spend alone,
sailing on the bright and cool blue waters.
It's a kind of a special feeling,
when you're out on the sea alone,
The astronauts and the whales they are my brothers.”

“Oops, make that Kristofferson.”

“astronauts?”

“steve hiker--good attempt trying to cover your spelling--but The Little River Band is actually who told you that the albatross was/is your bro!”

“yep, and Christopher Cross sang 'sailing'.

Kris Kristofferson sang 'highwayman' with Waylon Jennings, Willie Nelson, and Johnny Cash.

i'm sorry to degenerate y'all's thread like this. i'll let y'all have at it, again.”

“I thought this was a thread about the chick in the WWF.”

“I actually participated in a mock-wargame with a scenario like this, except it was a terrorist faction that captured a survelience ship off of syria. IT basically boiled down to what the bunny said. If they won't give it back, then we make sure it's in so many pieces that they won't be able to put it back together.

I seriously think another war is brewing. There is too much instability in the middle east and china. someday it will just break”

“"The astronauts and the whales they are my brothers."

I can say, with absolute certainty, that I have never laughed so much while reading TT. It just got my funny bone.”

“lee -- or as it said in fractured English on a child's sweatshirt we saw in a Chengdu department store (and we've got the picture to prove it): "Bone of the amusement." Now that's why I went to teach English in China! LOL”

“China is saying the collision is OUR fault...like WE got too close to their planes!”