Up for some bush whacking? err..bashing ?

“My daughter sent me this and I couldn't resist posting it.

A little arsenic with that tainted beef?”

“Who'd we elect again...Mr.Bush or Mr.Hyde?”

“I'm not fond of George W., but I am interested in fair debate. I think the elimination of the inheritance task is a stealth attack on Democracy.

The problem with this article is that reading between the lines it seems that the real debate is about irradiated meat and not about salmonella... but people have been making it about salmonella because its an easier argument to win and a better toold for bashing Bush. Irridation would reduce the pathogens in beef below the levels that the inspections do.

I think we need to have a debate about irradiation of food, but lets not pretend its really about food inspection if its really about irradiation.”

“one word........strategery”

“Don't look at me, I Didn't Vote.”

“I know Sirpete its a game of spin, strategy appearnaces. Still, I reserve the right to gripe about people who knowingly fudge the issues, and admire people who talk straight..

Its why I came to absolutely loathe Steven Forbes in the Republi-con primary and respect John McCain - and why neither of the Demon-craps got much respect from me.”

“Atleast Bush is smart enough not to send that ignorant Jesse Jackson to China. Who does Jesse think he is anyway. He can't speak correctly and he fornicates with women other than his wife, and brings children into this world with other women. Who respects this jerk anyway? Jesse wants to go negotiate with China for the release of the men & women being held.”

“Just because the Government doesn't mandate it doesn't mean the companies won't do it. Why would they want to risk selling tainted meat and decreasing thier buissness as a result. It's the same thing with the FAA. If there was no FAA do really think airplanes would be falling out of the sky? Heck no, it costs way less to maintain a plane then it does to replace one. Economics can govern by itself without government intervention.”

“Sure wtf, so long as I have my propullactic on....hehehehehe

You know Bush resides in the Oval Orifice or the Oral Office.....”

“It wasn't economical for coal burning plants to put scrubbers in the smoke stacks. Government regulation made them do it and we have far less acid rain because of it. (though still too much)
It isn't economical to keep timber companies from cutting the last old growth. They could just plant more trees and sell the big ones. Regulation has allowed us to set some aside. (though not enough)

No DM, Economics without regulation would be a cruel master indeed.”

“Deathmarch, regarding economics without regulation, please open a history book and look up "Robber Baron".”

“Yes, laissez-faire capitalism created the great depression.

Voluntary compliance sure cleaned up the air and water in Texas, didn't it?

As for bush-bashing? It ain't sporting. Kinda like shooting an unarmed man, whimpering and cowering while in a fetal position soiling himself.”

“Where were you people when mr. bill was bombing ibuprofen factories, lying to grand juries and the American people, cheating on his wife, selling pardons, selling secrets to the Chinese, signing most of the republicans contract with America bills, restricting the supply of electricity and letting the economy go south.

I am not saying Bush is not fair game for criticism. It Just appears that many of you are not basing it on fact, but some vague perception and partisan views. Face it many of you dislike Bush not because of any specific action but because he beat your guy and is a conservative.

If you are going to ?bash? at least be honest. The salmonella thing in that linked article was a proposals from lower level people that were nixed by Bush. The previous administration had eight years to do some of these things and chose not to do them. Does this make Bush worst the bill? NO, but Bush is just not a democrat. At least admit you motives have more to do with emotion than fact. No one has died from arsenic in the water under bill, why will it be more harmful with Bush as President?”

“utahiker, thanks for sharing. Firmed up my opinion of this administration even more...”

“Bushonics speakers strike back: We're mad as hell and we won't be
misunderestimated anymore!

By Tom McNichol March 19, 2001

The day Lisa Shaw's son Tyler came home from school with tears streaming down
his cheeks, the 34-year-old Crawford, Texas, homemaker, knew things had gone
too far.

"All of Tyler's varying and sundry friends was making fun of the way he
talked," Shaw says. "I am not a revengeful person" but I couldn't let this
behaviorism slip into acceptability. This is not the way America is about."

Shaw and her son are two of a surprising number of Americans who speak a form
of nonstandard English that linguists have dubbed "Bushonics," in honor of the
dialect's most famous speaker, President George W. Bush. The most striking
features of Bushonics -- tangled syntax, mispronunciations, run-on sentences,
misplaced modifiers and a wanton disregard for subject-verb agreement -- are
generally considered to be "bad" or "ungrammatical" by linguists and society
at large.

But that attitude may be changing. Bushonics speakers, emboldened by the Bush
presidency, are beginning to make their voices heard. Lisa Shaw has formed a
support group for local speakers of the dialect and is demanding that her
son's school offer "a full-blown up apologism." And a growing number of
linguists argue that Bushonics isn't a collection of language "mistakes" but
rather a well-formed linguistic system, with its own lexical, phonological and
syntactic patterns.

"These people are greatly misunderestimated," says University of Texas
linguistics professor James Bundy, himself a Bushonics speaker. "They're not
lacking in intelligence facilities by any stretch of the mind. They just have
a differing way of speechifying."

It's difficult to say just how many Bushonics speakers there are in America,
although professor Bundy claims "their numbers are legionary." Many who speak
the dialect are ashamed to utter it in public and will only open up to a group
of fellow speakers. One known hotbed of Bushonics is Crawford, the tiny
central Texas town near the president's 1,600-acre ranch. Other centers are
said to include Austin and Midland, Texas, New Haven, Conn., and
Kennebunkport, Maine.

Bushonics is widely spoken in corporate boardrooms, and has long been
considered a kind of secret language among members of the fraternity Delta
Kappa Epsilon. Bushonics speakers have ascended to top jobs at places like the
Internal Revenue Service and the Department of Health and Human Services. By
far the greatest concentration of Bushonics speakers is found in the U.S.
military. Former Secretary of State Alexander Haig is only the most well known
Bushonics speaker to serve with distinction in America's armed forces. Among
the military's top brass, the dialect is considered to be the unofficial
language of the Pentagon.

Former President George H.W. Bush spoke a somewhat diluted form of the
dialect that bears his family's name, which may have influenced his choice for
vice president, Dan Quayle, who spoke an Indiana strain of Bushonics.

The impressive list of people who speak the dialect is a frequent topic at
Lisa Shaw's weekly gathering of Bushonics speakers. That so many members of
their linguistic community have risen to positions of power comes as a comfort
to the group, and a source of inspiration.

"We feel a good deal less aloneness, my guess is you would want to call
it," Shaw says. "It just goes to show the living proof that expectations rise
above that which is expected."

Some linguists still contend, however, that the term "Bushonics" is being used
as a crutch to excuse poor grammar and sloppy logic.

"I'm sorry, but these people simply don't know how to talk properly," says
Thomas Gayle, a speech professor at Stanford University. Professor Gayle was
raised by Bushonic parents, and says he occasionally catches himself lapsing
into the dialect.

"When it happens, it can be very misconcerting," Gayle says. "I understand
Bushonics. I was one. But under full analyzation, it's really just an excuse
to stay stupider."

It's talk like that that angers many Bushonics speakers, who say they're
routinely the victims of prejudice.

"The attacks on Bushonics demonstrate a lack of compassion and amount to
little more than hate speech," says a prominent Bushonics leader who spoke on
the condition that his quote be "cleaned up."

Increasingly, members of the Bushonics community are fighting back. Lisa
Shaw's Crawford-based group is pressing the local school board to institute
bilingual classes, and to eliminate the study of English grammar altogether.

"It's an orientation of being fairness-based," Shaw says.

A Bushonics group in New England has embarked on an ambitious project to
translate key historical documents into the dialect, beginning with the Bill
of Rights. (For instance, the Second Amendment rendered into Bushonics reads:
"Guns. They're American, for the regulated militia and the people to bear.
Can't take them away for infringement purposes. Not never.")

Bushonics activists say they'll keep fighting as long as there are still
children who come home from school crying because their classmates can't
understand a word they're saying. Lisa Shaw hopes that every American will
heed the words of the nation's No. 1 Bushonics speaker, and vow to be a
uniter, not a divider.

"We shouldn't be cutting down the pie smaller," Shaw says with quiet
dignity. "We ought to make the pie higher."”

“Post..too.long...

Preach on Mtngal! woohoo!

As for deregulation, I was refering to only cases where the regulation is the same thing as the most economic course of action. Yes there are example where that is opposite, but in many cases, like the ones stated, regulation is just redundant.”

“The Bush budget released yesterday proposes spending $10 billion for the Interior Department - 2 percent less than last year's $10.2 billion - and $7.3 billion for the Environmental Protection Agency - 6 percent less than last year's $7.8 billion. No sense wasting money on the environment!

Bush's budget proposal includes only $13 million to help protect tropical forests in developing countries, far less than the "minimum of $100 million a year" he promised during his campaign. So I guess it was not so much a promise as a way to look like a "green" candidate...”

“Oh, can't forget the 26% budget reduction in endangered species protection, plus the fact that Shrub now wants his administration to have final say on whether or not a species gets listed.

Zesty!”

“Yes and this one of the basic differences between liberals and conservatives. Liberals measure success on a issue by how much money is spent. Conservatives measure success by the result of the program. Look at the history of welfare in this country. Both republicans and democrats throw money at poverty for decades. Poverty just got worse. Welfare roll only got smaller after the combination of a booming economy and a cut in the money that would be spent. We still have poverty but more people are seeking to be self sufficient.

I think it is great that they are spending less if they can do the same or more with the same money. I hate waste. Washington has the most ridiculous budget method I have ever heard seen. Where else in reducing the size of an increase called a spending cut. It is still an increase.”

“Government meat inspections were pushed by the meat industry after meat from smaller companies began getting Europeans sick. The larger companies were already inspecting their meat and making sure they were selling a good product but were being harmed by perceptions overseas. They lobbied to have the government inspect the meat, saving them money and driving the smaller companies out of the market as they could not afford to produce a consistantly clean product.”

“Here's a great article written by John Leo, a well-repsected conservative: Why don't conservatives care about saving the planet?

It's short, and well worth the read.”

“Kleetn:

Good article. I think the Grand Ole Farties are going to shoot themselves in the foot on this one. Even my conservative friends think Bush has already shot himself in the foot with his environmental platform.”

“Violin,
If there were less monopoly laws then those lesser companies wouldn't exist and couldn't spread that tainted meat.

I agree Mtngal. liberals also tend to comfort instead of solve. They would rather feel sorry for a starving man and give him a meal then make him get a job so he can always afford food. Sure it looks nice and all just to give him food, but that's not solving the problem now, is it.

Also, everybody bitches about US involvment over seas yet they also bitch about doing less.
"only $13 million to help protect tropical forests in developing countries (kleeten)"
So which one is it? Help or no help. Make up your mind.”

“Read my post again DM99, my concern is when a man says something to get elected and then doesn't do it. Or cynically does 13% of what he said he'd do.”