San Francisco to pay for sex change oper ation

“CNN is reporting that San Francisco is considering paying for employee?s sex change operations. I don?t want to insult anyone but isn?t this a little crazy?

link to article”

“I read that in today's paper. They said since there's so many transexuals walking around anyway, they ought to get govt. money.

Really?

There's a lot of fat people too...should we pay for liposuction?
How about all the ugly people? Can we pay for their plasic surgury(sp)?”

“I WANT A GOOBER AND SKWIRLS!”

“Yeah, I didn't understand how its a discrimination issue.

$37,000 to $77,000?

I'm discriminated against because I don't live in a McMansion or drive a Ferrari.

Where's my check you bigots?!”

“What do you call it when a woman has a peni$ put on?”

“It's an addadicktome.”

“I want to hear the argument for this? Come on all you liberals who preach the evils of morality and the me, me, me philosophy. Give us one good reason.

This is exactly why we need to stand up and confront the liberal idiots who are selling this country short.”

“Just saw a quote on the web - seems apropos: "If you're not ouraged, you're not paying attention."”

“Amen, Steiny.”

“Let me ask you guys complaining about this (unless you live in San Fran): How the hell does it impact you?”

“No man is an island.”

“It's a non electice surgury. Does this mean that breast implants and tummy tucks should be covered? How about lieposuction (SP?)? Maybe they are a skinny person trapped in a fat person's body? Who is this cost gonna get handed down to?

Sodom and Gramora deserve a pardon.”

“Nigal:

I'm quoting from the article.

"The coverage extends to hormone treatment and medical matters such as mastectomies or breast cancer. It will not cover cosmetic procedures and can only be used after a doctor deems treatment medically necessary. Employees first must go through an extensive medical review process that takes up to six months."

Oh yeah. And to emphasize my earlier point:

"Opposition has come only in e-mails and phone calls from people living outside San Francisco, mainly Texas, said Board Supervisor Mark Leno, founder of the Transgender Civil Rights Implementation Task Force."

Gotta love his claim to fame.”

“Thanks for the facts. I think people outside of SF want to try and stop any kind of presidence that can be used in parts of the country where people don't want it to effect them. Plus, look at the source (Board Supervisor Mark Leno, founder of the Transgender Civil Rights Implementation Task Force). I take that at it's word about as much as you would a quote from the Christian Co alision on the subject. LOL!

I've stated my opinion and I'm stopping there (famous last words!) so it doesn't end up being another WKRP thread that lasts all week. 8)”

“So the transexual doctor recommends that Janie needs a pen!s. Sure, let the taxpayer foot the bill. What a crock.

Let's quote some facts from the Transgender Civil Rights Impementation Task force. Excuse me could someone explain to me what that is?

It must be a legitimate and unbiased source, because it was posted on the internet.

Only a moron would fall for this crap.”

“I don't see what the problem is. I don't agree with the policy, but I don't live in SF. If the city implements this plan against the will of the residents, then won't the elected officials be voted out and the legislation rescinded? If they're not, then it seems to me to be a great example of democracy in action, where the government catered to the will of the people. I sure don't understand a rush to judgement based on one article and what....religious convictions? Seems like an interesting, if unconventional, exercise in civic governing.”

“Good point Jim. In a democratic society we can influence the actions of our elected officials. We can influence voters and elected officials by expressing our opinions.

My opinion is that this is a poor use of public funds. I want to convey this concept to voters who may not have considered that it is an unprincipled idea and a poor use of public funds.”

“Only in Cali. could this happen!!!! JHC WTF !!!!

I tell what I think is screwy, is that my aunt had a breast removed a few years back to remove the cancer and now she has returned to have the other removed for comfort reason amongst others and it will most likely be a out of pocket expense. No coverage from what I have been told for that type of procedure.”

“"I want to hear the argument for this? Come on all you liberals who preach the evils of morality and the me, me, me philosophy. Give us one good reason.
This is exactly why we need to stand up and confront the liberal idiots who are selling this country short." - bacpac

bacpac: I thought the idea was funny as hell. I'd be pissed if that happened here, entirely because of situations like the one Briar mentioned. Only in San Francisco. . . As for you, why the fuk do you care!? You're not paying for it! Personally, I think it comes down to this: your totally irrational homophobia. Do you really think one of them thar homosexuals is gonna fly out from San Fran just to molest you or something?? you know what they say about homophobes. . .

While we're at it, I think you need a new pair of balls there Yosemite Sam. You're getting just a little too hyped up about something that DOES NOT AFFECT YOU. And yes, this is a flame.”

“Say, was that a flame? What a pisser! lol

Hey, sense I pretty much agree with bacpac can we get my turn to be the moron to you outta the way? I was just wondering 'cause it's not that big an issue for me.

The old, "Well if ya don't like the homosexuals then ya must just be supressin' yer own tendancies!" doesn't hold water. Proof? Do you like child molesters?

Signed,
Moron”

“But child molesters don't necessarily wanna do the nasty with other child molesters. That's what scares bacpac.

One of my best friends has turned out to be bisexual. Until around a year ago, she was intensely homophobic. She swears by that premise now. I dunno. Go figure.”

“I guess the people crying foul over racial issues got bored so they had to pick a new topic. Hell, I'm being discriminated against because I don't own all the gear that other people have. I need government money to buy more!”

“The point is not whether anyone is homophobic (I'm not), nor whether we live in SF (I did '68-'70) and will be affected. The point is that this is an incredible, and possibly precedent-setting, misuse of public funds, in an era where elected officials have no concept of how hard most of us have to work just to stay afloat, never mind pay the taxes we pay that get misspent on pork-barrel projects and idiocy like this. It's gotten so that every Tom, Dick, and Harry, and every special interest group thinks the government owes them a free ride. Let 'em move to Sweden where their 60% tax rate will pay for this kind of crap and people actually like being mollycoddled from cradle to grave. Myself, about all I want from my government is be allowed to keep a little more of my money amd to be left alone. To paraphrase Yogi Berra, "If the founding fathers were alive, they'd be turning over in their graves."”

“Since when do we have to live in the area where a travesty occures to be outraged? Bride burning in India is commonplace; do you all go "la la la...I don't care...how the fuk does this affect me?"

pisgahforest--you're mighty quick to play the homophobe card (which is getting tired, by the way). Generalizing people like that is pure and simple hatred and bigotry.
Bacpac never ONCE mentioned homosexuality being wrong, only that the proposal was a poor misuse of public funds, and that liberals who preached that morality was wrong are idiots. I realize you are intentionally flaming, by your admission, but you ought not to stereotype people and then accuse them of stereotyping, when they never did.”

“i agree, tommy.”

“hey! i was supposed to be a lounge lizard!”

“ok, this is freaky. i don't see how you folks change names (or sex, dammit!)

i was logged on as LL, and it showed rad. then it showed "logged on as radagast" and it posts as LL.

freeeeeaky!”

“Homophobia does not exist. It is a myth created by the Homo's. There is no such thing.

Same argument everytime, Their theory concludes that the only reasonable explaination a person would not embrace and promote homosexuality is that they are a repressed homosexual.

What a crock.”

“This issue isn't even about homosexuality. It is about the misuse of government funds.”

“Did the article say anything about pen!s reductions???????”

“I do believe that bacpac HAS said that homosexuality is wrong, just not on this thread.
He got an e-mail from gOD telling him so.

What is this crap about "liberals preaching against morality"?
Is this not stereotyping?
It is also a LIE!

Pardon me, but its the conservatives who are the "me, me, me" people with all their belly-achin' about tax-cuts and cryin' about paying for other people's children.

Some of you "boys" DO need a new set of balls if you really must fret about something this silly.

The radio report said there were less than 20 "trans-sexuals" in a work force of about 37,000.
These few are mearly ELIGIBLE for such benefits.

”

“This is not a misuse of public funds. If the elected representatives of the citizens of San Francisco choose to use tax revenues paid by San Franciscans to do this, that's their perogitive. SF is one of the most liberal cities in the US, and the elected Board of Supervisors reflects that. If you think it is a bad idea, fine. Only the taxpayers of SF can decide if this is misuse.”

“Wrong!!!
Its for Rush Limbaugh to decide.....Oh please tell us what to think!”

“Bacpac, since you solicit a liberal viewpoint, I?ll offer mine since there ain?t no bigger liberal bleeding heart posting here than me. Should the issue ever come up for a vote in my city, I would oppose it; however if the citizens of San Francisco (or the city where I reside for that matter) lawfully decide to spend their money that way I?m not going to get too bothered. We all have to live with our government spending our money in ways that we may be individually opposed to, so welcome to America my friend. I would suggest that those opposed to sex change surgery refrain from having it.”

“Speaking of post-op transexuals...I miss Peeny!”

“It makes perfect sense to debate policies in places where we don't live. Lets argue this on some evidence, logic and clear principles.

1) I just don't buy the notion than someone can be a "female" stuck in male body. This is the theory underlying sex change operations.

2) I have known a number of transexuals, mostly through my work as a psychologist. I haven't met any who were well adjusted or even happy (of course my "sample" is a little). skewed).


A number of the post operative transexuals I have encountered were looking for some other kind of dramatic surgery (brain surgery in two cases) to solve their problems. They seemed to count on things being done to them in order to solve their problems in life.

3) I believe that the logic of transexual operations is based on some very sex stereotyped notions. From what I've heard, a lot of women who work with transexuals (post-op or pre-op) feel like the T-S's are charactures of women.

4) The gay men who I have talked to about transexuality (even a very feminine one who considered himself a wife) say they don't see why you need surgery to adopt any given role or attitude.

5) The analogy of hysterectomy and hormones for women (in the article) is very poor. There are observably biological problems that require hysterectomies and biological/physical symptoms and changes that require hormone's.

6) Given the number of men who want sex change surgery and are desperate to get it, I think the portion of SF employees who want hormones and surgery will be sky rocketing.”

“K-k-k-ken, you lyin' sack, I'm a bigger liberal than you!”

“ken, tom's right. he's a bedwetter through and through.”

“You liberal wannabes make me laugh. No one's as far left of center than me!!! I make hard-core european socialists look conservative!

More power to the San Francisco sex-changers! I hope the tax money comes directly from the pockets of religious conservative homophobes.

And I hope these transexuals all go into teaching young kids in public schools and convert children to homosexuality.”

“Amen, brother....
Saaaaaaayyyyyyy Hal-uh-loooooo-yaaah!!!

Forget environmental problems, population pressure, and economic injustice, I wanna see bloody civil war over sexuality issues!

We'll convert the children of the (self)righteous to homosexuality.
And for those numb-nutz self-righteous bastards, we'll go after their friend's kids.”

“Hey. How about Faith Based Sex Change Operations!

Instead of trying to get the city government to pay, the "Transgender Civil Rights Implementation Task Force" could run an ad that goes to select religious groups (Christian, Hindu, Jewish, Moslem and others) and says: "For the proper donation, you too can fully emasculate a Godless Pervert Who Has Sinned Against Nature."

Money raised could be used to substize reconstructive surgery and hormones. If the money is insufficient, we could have faith based castration for male child molesters (heck even atheists could sign on if they pay up) who are willing to trade gonads for a reduced sentence.”

“That's right!
And they could pay for dog-grooming for the weird pets of male child molesters.
The left over body parts could be used as dog food for the pets of the disadvantaged.

I don't think atheists would do well with "faith-based" anything.
Sh!t boy, we don't believe in nothing!

Hell, you should just call it Supernatural Based Charity and include all manner of losers who believe in things that are not really there.”

“Liberalism in itself is tolerable, but liberals are increasingly embracing socialism.

The government functions much better when it performs a smaller role in peoples lives.”

“Instead of sex change operations, the money should be spent for psychotherapy. What guy in his right mind goes to the doctor and says "Ok Doc, cut it off...."”

“Really? Let's see...

I enjoy public parks, public libraries, sidewalks, street lights, stop signs, maintained roads, firefighters, electricity, telephone lines, violent criminals behind bars and the police who put them there, the govt. funded food center that brings meals to the lonely elderly man across the street, the sanitation workers that pick up my garbage and recycling, the environmental regulators that try to keep corporations from dumping toxic sewage into my water supply, the water supply treatment facilities. etc. etc. ad nauseum.

I'm pretty much happy the govt. is there to perform those roles in my life.”

“Hey BaSO! That suggestion was way, way too close to common sense!”

“People who whine about the size of the evil government (evil because gov't represents a direct threat to their quest to religion-ize public schools) are the first to cry and whine when the government doesn't provide them with what they consider "essential" government services. You see, they ignore the fact that the government is so large because there are so many different interests that the government must cater to. But the politicophobes see interests other than their own to be pork and waste. Typical myopic vision of typical religious/anti-gubment conservatives.”

“hmm. i don't want anyone forcing their religion on me, i do not attend church, and i don't want government to be a baby-sitter. i'm not sure that your stereotyping fits everyone, man.”

“"Liberals are increasingly embracing socialism"....
Or so says the right-wing propaganda.
And that socialist/communist witch-hunt mumbo-jumbo jive STILL draws a lot of support against anything politically progressive.

I'll bet The Right Revvum Pat Robertson has some good thoughts on this issue.”