Look What The Energy "Crisis" is Causing

“LOL I bet them old ladies would just love to get their paws on that guy!!!! Here kitty kitty!!”

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“LOL Hey Bit,whats the third picture down?? It just looks dark, maybe thats the kitties view from inside the kettle??lol”

“Um, the color "black"?”

“HMMM??? Speaking of colors is that "the true colors im seeing"?!”

“pot
kettle
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“You can use a

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“Dang bit, nothin' kills a great gag like having to explain it, huh?”

“Dang bit, nothin' kills a great gag like having to explain it, huh?”


Hey genious,I get the gag .I just thought the black square might have been a picture that just didnt paste right .”

“Sorry, it wasn't clear from your posts that was the case...”

“Easy Francis...:)”

“I wonder …

If we burn 15.2 million gallons of diesel per day (57,538,259 liters) then we would need to convert 28,769,130 cats per day to fuel our countries diesel needs. At first I thought that was a huge number, but then I realized that the annual poultry slaughter in the US is like 8 billion birds or roughly 21,917,808 birds per day. We would need to kill only slightly more cats to meet our countries diesel needs than we would poultry to meet our carnivorous tendencies.

So on the surface the numbers seem plausible. What I have yet to sort out is this: The gestation time for a chicken is 21 days while the gestation time for a cat is like 65 days. So it takes 3-times as long to produce a cat as it takes a bird. While I am pretty sure you get more biodiesel from a cat than a bird, I wonder how many birds it takes to equal one cat in this regard.

I am thinking that cats must take longer to grow to a harvesting size. Also, with birds like chickens you get eggs along the way, so that may shift the economics even further towards poultry.

I wonder how much biodiesel you can get from a chicken?

This is really interesting...
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“...or a turkey...”

“i have never cried reading the internet until now. this is the most inhumane, disrespectful, horrific display of mankind's destruction of the sanctity of this planet i have ever witnessed. it is bad enough that the german inventor created such a monstrous machine, but for you "people" to support it is unconscionable. i cannot even believe there are human being people on this planet capable of such monstrosities”

“I know, I know, no feeding the troll...sorry.
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“I wonder how many miles per moonglo my car would get.”

“The man with no fear, lol...”

“Soilent green is people!”

“No, I think that the upshot will be that "Chevron with Techron is people!"”

“LOL!”

“Oh crap, I probably just started an Urban Legend...”

“I love this thread. I jiust might print it out for a class.”

“In the May 2003 issue of Discover, an article titled “Anything Into Oil” drew a phenomenal reader response. The process described—transforming turkey guts, old tires, used plastic bottles, and municipal sewage into fuel oil—struck some readers as more like alchemy than chemistry and struck others as the answer to energy shortages, not to mention the solution to some of America’s worst waste problems. Readers have been asking for an update on how the idea is progressing because our article left the story before the first full-scale industrial plant had been opened. We’ve been waiting for that plant to start up before writing an update, but because it has been delayed, we asked the author of the original article to give us a midterm report. After the plant is up and running long enough to be reviewed, we’ll publish a further evaluation.

http://www.discover.com/issues/jul-04/features/anything-into-oil/”

“Modern Marvels had a program on Sugar development last night.

Best part of the program was how Brazil has relied upon sugar to produce Ethanol and has moved from being an 80% oil dependent state to a 20% oil dependent state.

Price per litre of Ethanol was half of what petroleum costs there.”

“THE drive for "green energy" in the developed world is having the perverse effect of encouraging the destruction of tropical rainforests. From the orang-utan reserves of Borneo to the Brazilian Amazon, virgin forest is being razed to grow palm oil and soybeans to fuel cars and power stations in Europe and North America. And surging prices are likely to accelerate the destruction

The rush to make energy from vegetable oils is being driven in part by European Union laws requiring conventional fuels to be blended with biofuels, and by subsidies equivalent to 20 pence a litre. Last week, the British government announced a target for biofuels to make up 5 per cent of transport fuels by 2010. The aim is to help meet Kyoto protocol targets for reducing greenhouse-gas emissions.

Rising demand for green energy has led to a surge in the international price of palm oil, with potentially damaging consequences. "The expansion of palm oil production is one of the leading causes of rainforest destruction in south-east Asia. It is one of the most environmentally damaging commodities on the planet," says Simon Counsell, director of the UK-based Rainforest Foundation. "Once again it appears we are trying to solve our environmental problems by dumping them in developing countries, where they have devastating effects on local people."

The main alternative to palm oil is soybean oil. But soya is the largest single cause of rainforest destruction in the Brazilian Amazon. Supporters of biofuels argue that they can be "carbon neutral" because the CO2 released from burning them is taken up again by the next crop. Interest is greatest for diesel engines, which can run unmodified on vegetable oil, and in Germany bio-diesel production has doubled since 2003. There are also plans for burning palm oil in power stations.

Until recently, Europe's small market in biofuels was dominated by home-grown rapeseed (canola) oil. But surging demand from the food market has raised the price of rapeseed oil too. This has led fuel manufacturers to opt for palm and soya oil instead. Palm oil prices jumped 10 per cent in September alone, and are predicted to rise 20 per cent next year, while global demand for biofuels is now rising at 25 per cent a year.

Roger Higman, of Friends of the Earth UK, which backs biofuels, says: "We need to ensure that the crops used to make the fuel have been grown in a sustainable way or we will have rainforests cleared for palm oil plantations to make bio-diesel."

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg18825265.400&feedId=online-news_rss20”

“Like I have said, there is little unused capacity of land and water to produce biofuels.”

“Hmmm...tropical forests...aren't those the "Lungs of the Earth" forests?”