Why is this not considered racist?

“Why don't you guys just hit yourselves on the head with a hammer instead.”

“Mr. Steadman, Hitler and the Nazi Party were minorities in Germany. They essentially scared people and used violent tactics (stormtroopers) to get into power. FYI. Now, being a historian, I can also make the same arguement about the founding fathers of this country (minorities), and their abuse of a race (blacks-slavery). The difference is, the majority finally realized in this country that slavery was wrong, and that all are created equal. Our founding fathers were wrong for owning slaves, but very document they penned was able to right thier wrong. Hitler wanted power, and to create a seperate superior race through that power. He used his constituents to gain the power, and eliminated his enemies.

If you look at folks like David Duke and Louis Farrakan and Jesse Jackson, and Gloria Stienem, and Jerry Farwell, which side do these folks in the minority fall on. Who's interests are they looking out for? Are they trying to better overall society through their cause, or just their own? You make the call.”

“mapfreak, I think I got the message. I hope you get that chip off your shoulder without someone having to knock it off.”

“I was going to just let this drop but can't let a few of this (questionable) scenerios I've read go unanswered.

1. Someone said something about black people not being able to get jobs. While I'm sure that is true, disciminating against other races isn't an answer either, I left home and went to school because it was very hard for unskilled white people to get decent jobs, those were all reserved for "minorities" which in that area was white people.
Which brings me to point 2. I've lived where there were no black people and I've lived where they were the majority. I've lived in quite a few poor areas because in spite of the impression some of the people here try to give, not all black people are poor and not all white people are wealthy or middle class. I've had to do without hotwater, AC, cars, eating out, ect. The "poor" black people I know not only have all those things, but cell phones, hair do's, fingernails, new cars, and government subsidized housing, plus food for the kids. I had to work and take out loans to go to school, now they have special "minority" grants and "programs" for "minorities". Oh, back to my point, I don't know whos trying to fool who here but I'll take my chances with the poor white folks any day, even the most prejidiced white community I've lived in treats "minorities" better than they treat others or themselves.
I'm just making generalizations here, there are always exeptions, but like bacpac said, government dependence has made the situation much worse for blacks now. They have very low expectations for themselves and little motivation to better themselves”

“Before I get more crap, not only do I have many black co-workers, my supervisor is also black. My supervisor and one of my co-workers isn't into the "black culture" thing so they get talked about by the other black people and made fun of because they don't talk slang, they don't listen to rap, they read mainstream books and listen to mainstream music. One of the nightshift girls quit and moved away a few years ago and a couple of her peers made the comment about even though she was a good worker they "hated her because she didn't fight the fight"
Unfrigginbelievable.”

“BacPac:

My son goes to a school with no ethnic majority, they've competed for plenty of things where there is affirmative action. Most of the employers in my fields (mental health and aceemia) have very strong affirmative action guidelines. I'd like to have had better jobs than I've had. I don't blame other people for my problems, I don't whine about being oppressed by minority groups or racial hiring preferences. Some of my tax money goes to support unworthy people, rich and poor. I'm not whining about that either.

Bigotry bugs me. Nastiness bugs me. The combination of whining and bellicose bigotry in your posts is disgusting to a lot of people. Look at the start of Newgirl's "lighter side" thread. And no, I don't think she is PC. And I don't think I'm PC. Some people still have their sense of smell.

I've found things to like and respect about you. If I knew you in real life, there might well be more things I'd like and respect about you. But the kind of racial bigotry and resentment you post is nasty stuff, sometimes I turn away in disgust. Sometimes I just feel I have to respond.”

“Please DON'T FEED THE BEARS”

“LOL! You may be right flyguy.
But sometimes they seem so good at feeding each other.”

“Ped, I think you are an @sshole too. Lets just leave it at that.”

“Wow!

I'm glad I live in a racially and ethnically diverse neighborhood and not around some the bigots posting here.

Some really nasty aspects of many people I have come to enjoy were revealed here.

Of course everyone is entitled to their own opinions. My opinion is that some of you hold some very pathetic views.”

“Amen, dude!
When you know "white" people.....the ugliness becomes evident.

"...one thing ya can't hide
is when you're crippled inside"

John Lennon”

“About 6 years ago I moved from Alabama to Atlanta, GA. I chose an area just outside of town that reflected my life in Alabama. We also chose this area for the schools. When we moved here the school were my children attend was 98% white with 2% on the free lunch program. The average state scores at the time were 78% but this school was 99%. These numbers stayed the same until 1 1/2 years ago. A few large subdivisions were built selling houses at low prices. The school went from 98% white and 2% on the free lunch program to 21% white and 67% on the free lunch program. The state scores went from 99% to 82%. 2 years ago my kids were required to read 80 books during the year in order to pass to the next level. Now the programs only require 50 books. It also appears that the actual state test were lowered to meet the new demographics. This means that the 82% is much closer to being 75%. I checked the entire state stats for schools and found that the grades are always lower when two factors are at play , the percentage of "African Americans" and the number of students using the free lunch program. The most interesting thing I noticed is that the carpool line is now lined up with Cadillac’s, Lexus's, Mercedes’...etc, the same people needing the state to pay for their child’s food. I guess those big car payments make it difficult to pay for the bare necessities. If you would like to now what the state stats are in your state you can find it at www.greatschools.net.

My city has started the trend of turning black and I have already noticed an increase in the crime rate. I don’t want to live in the ghetto so I will be moving. We are moving to a place were the schools are better and there just happens to be no “African Americans”. I would not hesitate to put my children in a 99% black public school if the grades were 99% but based on factual stats it is impossible.”

“An actual correlation of race and behavior is not racism. It's observation, better classified as realism.

If you based your decision solely on race, that would be a different story.”

“Nice first post. Welcome aboard. You a heimy, mic, pollock, or dago?”

“I suggest you read the terms of participation of this board, and move your posting to a thread with the proper classification.”

“bit, he's "grandfathered" for re-using an excisting thread. Wonder how he found it... by searching "racist???"”

“Must be Violin's troll”

“Undoubtedly. Just trying to stir up trouble, I imagine.
last edited: 11/30/05 1:45:58 PM”

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Also, always avoid annoying alliteration. Don't confuse assonance with alliteration.
Be more or less specific.
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Even IF a mixed metaphor sings, it should be derailed.
Who needs rhetorical questions?
Exaggeration is a billion times worse than understatement. And finally...
Proofread carefully to see if you any words out.”

“In these times, I think that's an excellent question. If that is supposed to be a troll, it's very odd considering the timeliness of the question. It's amazing how people flip their lids when race is mentioned. Statistics and race are taboo? Come on guys.”

“lol...”

“I see the owner of Sarge has started yet another troll.”

“When someone pulls up an old thread to make a controversial post on the day they register their name, there can be no doubt that they have been involved with the board for sometime. That fits many people's definition of a troll.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was the same person who posts as Sarge.
last edited: 11/30/05 2:04:42 PM”

“I wouldn't be surprised if it was the same person who posts as Sarge.

I dunno... Violin is the one who always digs up old threads to post on. That's his MO.
last edited: 11/30/05 2:12:07 PM”

“I'm assuming you're quoting pedxing DDX. I love it when he's wrong. I'm happy a lot.”

“I think every ethnic group has their share of low class people or criminals and no matter what you happen to be, you are right to not want to be living with them or have a child go to school with them which may effect their learning or their saftey.”

“Pointing out the effects of racism doesn't make one a racist.”

“Notice how he didn't share his kids' grades with us. If his kids' grades are the same or better, and the staff is the same, the guy simply doesn't want to live around, what he would call, negroes.”

“Alabama Man! He's quick, he's strong, he's happ'nin'
He can bowl, he can drink, he can drink a bowl. Alaba-ma Man.
He beat the wife and picks chicks up. Alabama Man!

http://www.jokaroo.com/funnyvideos/alabamaman.html”

“We all dig up old threads. Shoots your theory to sh_t, DDX.

When this clown compares stats, he uses white people v. those on the free lunch program. Shoots your theory to sh_t, Sarge!

Alabammy Man! Welcome to the world many of us have been exposed to for many years: The dumbing down of America! Difference between you and me is you tried a back-door way to jump on the blacks. I find that this exists without singling anyone out. Spread the wealth! There's fault to go around for stupid white mutha phuckers, too! Only one you fooled was the dead guy!
last edited: 11/30/05 2:26:34 PM”

“so what is wrong with what he wrote if it is true? I have seen it happen here, it happens everywhere. It seems most don't want to admit it though.”

“Buddha, I'm surprised at you. Negros? It's African Americans. Are you some kind of racist?”

“pitts and I agree? Amazing!

When this clown compares stats, he uses white people v. those on the free lunch program. Shoots your theory to sh_t, Sarge! - treebeard

Maybe you missed this part: "I checked the entire state stats for schools and found that the grades are always lower when two factors are at play , the percentage of "African Americans" and the number of students using the free lunch program" The decision is made on a statistic of African Americans.”

“Buddha, I'm surprised at you. Negros? It's African Americans. Are you some kind of racist?

buhahaha!”

“Ewker - Some people would rather not look at statistics if it shows that a minority is negatively affecting productivity. This is one reason why blacks have a tougher time of things. They'd (as a race, and their "PC supporters) rather not look at reality.
last edited: 11/30/05 2:35:19 PM”

“Maybe you missed his comparisons. It's right there for you to read. Over and out!


For the impaired:

I chose an area just outside of town that reflected my life in Alabama.

98% white with 2% on the free lunch program.

The school went from 98% white and 2% on the free lunch program to 21% white and 67% on the free lunch program.

My city has started the trend of turning black and I have already noticed an increase in the crime rate. I don’t want to live in the ghetto so I will be moving.


Draw you own conclusions about this guy! Handwriting's on the wall!”

“It's African Americans. Are you some kind of racist?”
lipstick hiker
2:30:48 PM
11/30/05

Are you some kind of PC person?”

“All I need treebeard is one statistic to say that he drew his opinion based on statistics. He gave one, and I copied it for you above. No matter how many non-statistical decisions he made, he made at least one based on the statistical number of blacks, therefore the decision to not put kids in that school is justified as being a non-racist decision. If you can show (from his post) that the reason for making the decision was one of the other reasons, and not the one I mentioned, AND you can show that the statistics that were left out do not show a non-black element to the equation, then you might have a point. Until then, you're making the worst assumption about this guy based on a lack of evidence.”

“Has anyone considered the fact that these are most likely fictitious stats? Maybe he just made them up to stir up trouble. Ya think?

”

“I agree with you Treebeard that if the troll came back and admitted that he didn't make his decision on the statistic I quoted above, and instead used a false assumption, then you could say it was racist, but based on the above post alone (which is all we have to go on) the post itself was not racist.”

“Of course fullmoon, but on a discussion board, you could say that of just about any post, ... made to stir up trouble. We can still learn from it though, regardless of the troll's original intention.”

“Now maybe i'm just slow but it took me some time before i realized you could search for threads...it took me even longer to realize that it is better to find an existing thread with your subject and post to it rather than starting your own...alabamaman just signed up today...coincidence?...that's pretty quick lernin, especially for a southerner ;)



what's that smell???

















i think it's.....






















yep, that's a troll i smell”

“How do you learn from made up statistics?”

“You can learn from the hypothetical. Often, hypothetical circumstances are "made up" for the sole purpose of learning.”

“Is it racist to call AlabamaMan a troll?”

“I don't care what he posted or hid behind. I'm using his own words and their implications. This reeks. Sorry, but I'm not buying his act!”

““About 6 years ago I moved from Alabama to Atlanta, GA. I chose an area just outside of town that reflected my life in Alabama. We also chose this area for the schools. When we moved here the school were my children attend was 98% Democrat with 2% on the free lunch program. The average state scores at the time were 78% but this school was 99%. These numbers stayed the same until 1 1/2 years ago. A few large subdivisions were built selling houses at low prices. The school went from 98% Democrat and 2% on the free lunch program to 21% Democrat and 67% on the free lunch program. The state scores went from 99% to 82%. 2 years ago my kids were required to read 80 books during the year in order to pass to the next level. Now the programs only require 50 books. It also appears that the actual state test were lowered to meet the new demographics. This means that the 82% is much closer to being 75%. I checked the entire state stats for schools and found that the grades are always lower when two factors are at play , the percentage of "Republicnas" and the number of students using the free lunch program. The most interesting thing I noticed is that the carpool line is now lined up with Cadillac’s, Lexus's, Mercedes’...etc, the same people needing the state to pay for their child’s food. I guess those big car payments make it difficult to pay for the bare necessities. If you would like to now what the state stats are in your state you can find it at www.greatschools.net.

My city has started the trend of turning Republican and I have already noticed an increase in the crime rate. I don’t want to live in the ghetto so I will be moving. We are moving to a place were the schools are better and there just happens to be no “Rebuplicans”. I would not hesitate to put my children in a 99% Republican school if the grades were 99% but based on factual stats it is impossible.””

“Ekwer, I don't judge people harshly, so I'm not a PC person. People come to their own conclusions based on their experiences and I would not challenge them on their reality.

Hey, the tables could have turned where some backwards white trash people changed the statistics in the school. Race really isn't the issue, it just happens to be what class of people are that may be bringing down the area and learning ability in the school. In this case they happen to be black.
last edited: 11/30/05 2:59:53 PM”

“oh pleaz!!! That's all I have to say with one child who has all A Grades that come pretty damn easy to him, and another kid that has so called "better" things to do then pay attention in school!!

opps....my kids are not black!! Or are they?”

““Maybe you missed his comparisons. It's right there for you to read. Over and out!


For the impaired:

I chose an area just outside of town that reflected my life in Alabama.

98% white with 2% on the free lunch program.

The school went from 98% white and 2% on the free lunch program to 21% white and 67% on the free lunch program.

My city has started the trend of turning black and I have already noticed an increase in the crime rate. I don’t want to live in the ghetto so I will be moving.

Draw you own conclusions about this guy! Handwriting's on the wall!”
Treebeard
2:37:21 PM
11/30/05

Tree, sorry but you can't draw conclusions about what he said. The only conclusion is the difference in the areas of this country we live in.

I can take you to towns exactly like what he described. I can take you to areas of towns that turned from being totally white to being totally black and vice versa”