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Rt.17 DOES have major trafficView MessagesRt.17 DOES have major traffic “Okay, I went to Campmor in Paramus this Sat. morn. The good news is that right next to each other was Orvis, Campmor and Eastern Mountain Sports. I spent 3 hrs in Campmor looking at everything, so I never made it to the other stores. I-80 was fine. The bad new is that Campmor is a block away from -------The Paramus Park Mall! Traffic was rough on Rt. 17. Compares to Rt. 10 in East Hanover/Livingston or most of the main roads in Atlanta, or Rt.19 in north of Tampa. I hate traffic but the store was fun. I only bought little stuff, and father's day gifts. Just to see, I looked for fleece bags for $17 but there was nothing less than $35. They have a great book and map department, though.” 6:03:56 PM 6/16/01 RE: Rt.17 DOES have major traffic “I usually come south on Rt. 17 from 287 just avoid the northbound traffic. I used to go to Campmor once a month.” 10:40:05 PM 6/16/01 RE: Rt.17 DOES have major traffic “Feelin' the need to visit Campmor. They closed EMS near us. Now we have no choice but to go north. (campmor exit 163 - me exit 90) 1 hour away !” 4:57:09 PM 6/17/01 RE: Rt.17 DOES have major traffic “atlanta went from having the 6th worst traffic in the nation to #1! aahh!!! the joys of living in a growing metropolis!” 5:08:07 PM 6/17/01 RE: Rt.17 DOES have major traffic “Oh, m&m, so you are one of those people that rolls the window down and throws money out every ten miles. Did you get EZ Pass? I used to go to Cape May every summer before I had kids, and the tolls on the Parkway were annoying, but at least you don't have tollbooths at every exit.” 5:09:31 PM 6/17/01 RE: Rt.17 DOES have major traffic “Was out at Campmor 2 times last week! 75 mile from the border but it5's worth it.” 7:25:44 PM 6/17/01 RE: Rt.17 DOES have major traffic “yeah - I've got ez pass - don't even have to slow down! Get to see the crazies come down every weekend from the city to visit the jersey shore.” 10:10:10 PM 6/17/01 RE: Rt.17 DOES have major traffic “LyndyS. The $17 deals were from the REI Outlet. You'd probably have to order through their website. Some deals are only available in store and some only through catalog. Yeah, I moved down to Florida in '75. I visit my mother in Wyckoff around Christmas. Way too many people in The Garden State for me to want to live there any more. Got to agree with rad, though. My best friend moved to Atlanta about 8 years ago. I've done his commute into NYC and I've done his commute into Atlanta. Atlanta's traffic is the worst I've ever seen. There's no train/bus/subway infrastructure.” 7:03:10 AM 6/18/01 RE: Rt.17 DOES have major traffic “actually, we do have a subway, but no one uses it. it's a rather unsafe place to go.” 7:34:40 AM 6/18/01 RE: Rt.17 DOES have major traffic “MARTA - Moving Africans Rapidly Through Atlanta. How could it be unsafe?” 8:17:07 AM 6/18/01 RE: Rt.17 DOES have major traffic “ROFLAO!” 8:22:45 AM 6/18/01 RE: Rt.17 DOES have major traffic “DO NOT START!!!!!!!” 9:15:25 AM 6/18/01 RE: Rt.17 DOES have major traffic “I was just at campmor” 10:37:33 AM 6/18/01 RE: Rt.17 DOES have major traffic “Once again, certain posters demonstrate the depth of their ignorance.” 11:02:56 AM 6/18/01 RE: Rt.17 DOES have major traffic “Did you know that Campmor is one of the stores that will give NY/NJ Trail Conference members a 10% discount on gear (in store only)? Doesn't take much to pay back the cost (426 for family) and it supports the AT and other trails. Also 10% off at Ramsey Outdoor and 16 others. (A trip to Campmor has to include a stop at Ramsey in Paramus.) NY/NJ Trail Conf” 12:07:02 PM 6/18/01 RE: Rt.17 DOES have major traffic “That's $26 for family membership. stupid shift key” 12:09:07 PM 6/18/01 RE: Rt.17 DOES have major traffic “Yeah rad, I've ridden Marta. Unfortunately not many commuters do. I didn't feel unsafe because I've ridden the NYC subway many times. Now THAT'S unsafe.” 12:36:47 PM 6/18/01 Basic Rules For Dr “1. Turn signals will give away your next move. A real New Jersey driver never uses them. 2. Under no circumstances should you leave a safe distance between you and the car in front of you, or the space will be filled in by somebody else putting you in an even more dangerous situation. 3. Crossing two or more lanes in a single lane-change is considered going with the flow. 4. The faster you drive through a red light, the smaller the chance you have of getting hit. 5. Never, ever come to a complete stop at a stop sign. No one expects it and it will inevitably result in you being rear ended. If you want your insurance company to pay for a new rear bumper, come to a complete stop at all stop signs. 6. A right lane construction closure is just a game to see how many people can cut in line by passing you on the right as you sit in the left lane waiting for the same jerks to squeeze their way back in before hitting the orange construction barrels. 7. Never get in the way of an older car that needs extensive bodywork. New Jersey is a no-fault insurance state and the other guy doesn't have anything to lose. 8. Braking is to be done as hard and late as possible to ensure that your ABS kicks in, giving a nice, relaxing foot massage as the brake pedal pulsates. For those of you without ABS, it's a chance to stretch your legs. 9. Never pass on the left when you can pass on the right. It's a good way to scare people entering the highway. 10. Speed limits are arbitrary figures, given only as suggestions and are apparently not enforceable in New Jersey during rush hour. 11. Just because you're in the left lane and have no room to speed up or move over doesn't mean that a New Jersey driver flashing his high beams behind you doesn't think he can go faster in your spot. 12. Please remember that there is no such thing as a shortcut during rush-hour traffic in New Jersey. 13. Always slow down and rubberneck when you see an accident or even someone changing a tire. 14. Learn to swerve abruptly. New Jersey is the home of high-speed slalom driving thanks to! the State Highway Department, which puts potholes in key locations to test drivers' reflexes and keep them on their toes. 15. It is traditional in New Jersey to honk your horn at cars that don't move the instant the light changes. 16. Never take a green light at face value. Always look right and left before proceeding. 17. Remember that the goal of every New Jersey driver is to get there first, by whatever means necessary. 18. Real New Jersey women drivers can put on pantyhose and apply eye makeup at seventy-five miles per hour in bumper-to-bumper traffic. 19. Real New Jersey men drivers can remove their girlfriend's panties and bra at seventy-five miles per hour or in bumper-to-bumper traffic. 20. In the New Jersey area 'flipping someone the bird' is considered a polite New Jersey salute. This gesture should always be returned. ” 1:03:47 PM 6/18/01 RE: Rt.17 DOES have major traffic “arc, i've ridden it, too. but that doesn't mean that i like to.” 1:14:01 PM 6/18/01 RE: Rt.17 DOES have major traffic “Arrrrgggg!! I shop at a Ramsey's right in the next town (Ledgewood) and 1) I never knew it was a chain, 2) I never knew I could join the Trail Conf. and get discounts at Ramsey's. I bought my Tetragon 8 there and lots of maps, hiking books and other small gear. @#*^!” 1:15:24 PM 6/18/01 RE: Rt.17 DOES have major traffic “if they would expand it more, it might be better.” 1:15:59 PM 6/18/01 RE: Rt.17 DOES have major traffic “The Ramsey's in Ledgewwod is more hunting/fishing oriented - the one in Paramus has a great camping section with more high end stuff than Campmor (no decent boots though). They shot a scene for the Soprano's there. I heard the owner has a stake in the show or something. Take back the gear for a refund and buy it again after you get your card. ;)” 1:22:03 PM 6/18/01 RE: Rt.17 DOES have major traffic “Atlantans have the longest average commute in the nation - 27 miles roundtrip. Folks in LA spend the most time sitting in traffic, tho. MARTA goes unused partly because the light rail and bus system covers only two counties, whereas the metro area is more like seven to 14 counties - depending on which criteriumious you look at it. There are Park and Rides on the fringes of the system, but parking spaces are limited. Besides, Atlanta is VERY suburban based. We ALL have cars, and we aren't affraid to use them... I live in the southern exurbs. I spent last week commuting to and from Kennesaw State U., which is in the northern suburbs - 70 miles one way (@ $.28 per mile - SHOW ME THE MONEY!). I drove straight through downtown. It took me about 1.5 hours each way... not too bad, really. The traffic would crawl at predictable places, ie, interchanges, but would soon resume the 70-80 mph flow. Cruisin', bay-bee! "Ten Lanes... No Waiting!" Atlanta's freeway system is among the best I've ever seen. It's actually a joy to cruise during non-rush hour traffic - I LOVE driving. When I was in my late teens, my buds and I used to circle the perimeter (70 miles) and swill beers just for kicks. We would get drunk as bicycles, pump up the 8 track, and harrass peeps on the CB radio. Goooooood times! heh! Crusin', bay-bee! The secondary streets are a whole "nother" story, tho. Holy cow - it takes FOREVER to get around the malls, etc... I generally stay away from the burbs and city.” 1:23:19 PM 6/18/01 RE: Rt.17 DOES have major traffic “Kleety, I didn't make that up. That is what the Atlanta natives call it. It is a segregated transportation system.” 1:54:07 PM 6/18/01 RE: Rt.17 DOES have major traffic “i agree with that last part, dude! the 400/75/85 connecter is a blast!!” 1:55:46 PM 6/18/01 RE: Rt.17 DOES have major traffic “and 285 is like a racetrack! VROOOOOOOMMM!!!!!!!” 1:58:58 PM 6/18/01 RE: Rt.17 DOES have major traffic “I have been tellin' you guys about NYNJTC for ages now. Campmor rules, Ramisy SUCKS ASS. Ramisy may have better stuff but there sales people are ass holes and don't know sh!t about the gear. They don't offer help, you have to find them and there advise is they read the pacaging to you. I'm not illerterate I can read so I don't need your dumb uneducated as$ to do it for me, and then give me sum BullSh!t resone why I should by the product that I don't want to. Campmor, They sell great gear, there very helpfull they know there gear. They all use the gear and they don't look like some punk there just for a job, they look like hikers that have sampled it and know what are the pro's and con's. BTW: I thought I saw Amy G in the westmileford A&P on sunday.” 2:21:19 PM 6/18/01 RE: Rt.17 DOES have major traffic “you can read?” 2:34:09 PM 6/18/01 RE: Rt.17 DOES have major traffic “Tea- Some of the folks at Ramsey are knowledgeable and helpful. Some of Campmor's people know less than amoebas. The trick is to talk to the right people OR know all you need to know before you go.” 2:51:58 PM 6/18/01 RE: Rt.17 DOES have major traffic “Tea, You go to the A&P? Hmmm. I go to the bathroom & Pee. hehehee! pacpac - MARTA was originally gonna be called "DOODA". "Dooda bus go by here?" or... DO-DISCO "Do dis go downtown?" Only joking, peeeeple! If MARTA is "segregated", it would be economic segregation, not racial. Rush hour traffic has a VERY diverse mix of commuters. Some folks simply cannot afford to maintain a vehicle, so they spend $30.00 (?) a month for a pass card. Or, they live near the MARTA lines (read: city), which is predominatly black. But that's changing. Young couples, etc, of all races are moving into the older neighborhoods (property values have skyrocketed) of the city. Their getting tired of the commute... "Take MARTA - It's Smarter"” 3:24:46 PM 6/18/01 RE: Rt.17 DOES have major traffic “Maybe its AMP, I never payed any attechen” 5:38:36 PM 6/18/01 RE: Rt.17 DOES have major traffic “No you had it right Tea -  Gojo was just making a pee-pee joke. We're the adults here.” 5:50:45 PM 6/18/01 RE: Rt.17 DOES have major traffic “I've met good salespeople and idiot salespeople at both stores, Ice Tea. I'm sorry that you are not getting the help you need at Ramsey's. I really like the Ramsey's in Ledgewood. My girl scout co-leader was raving about the Leatherman knife/tool thing he bought there. There is a lot of hunting and fishing gear, and the camping department was nowhere near as extensive as Campmor, but I still love going in there. The prices are often lower than Campmor, and I'm close enough to check for sales.” 6:00:33 PM 6/18/01 RE: Rt.17 DOES have major traffic “You have to know who to go to in any of these places. Campmor is a zoo on Saturdays - you can't get help. (I ALWAYS go to Roger in the tent dept in Campmor and ask him who to hunt down if I have a weird question.)” 7:14:45 PM 6/18/01 RE: Rt.17 DOES have major traffic “For sleeping bags and sleeping gear, I go to the older guy with blond hair. Boots, From now on all I will buy is vasque clarions so I don't need to do any research there. Stoves, Haven't found a really helpful guy yet. Tents, THE GOSSAMER RULES, no need to buy a new one. ------ Well campmor is Campmor, not campmor out door. Campmor is all camping hiking and mnt climbing, there is little to non Hunting and fishing stuff. Because there all about camping.” 7:51:11 PM 6/18/01 RE: Rt.17 DOES have major traffic “Tea when you are in Blairstown this summer (you are still going to camp right?) you should take a ride down to the packshack in the Delaware Water Gap. small little place but if your needen something in a pinch it may just be there. good stop for through hikers too it generally has all the assentials” 8:05:30 PM 6/18/01 RE: Rt.17 DOES have major traffic “Thanks for that info.” 8:44:27 PM 6/18/01 RE: Rt.17 DOES have major traffic “I still have a pair of Herman Survivors (boots) that I bought at The Ramsey Outdoor Store back in, oh say, about '73. They still fit, they're still holding up. Ahh, fond memories. But I sure am glad they're only memories. Enjoy N.J. folks! It really is a nice place to be if you've got lots and lots of money.” 5:11:10 PM 6/19/01 RE: Rt.17 DOES have major traffic “I always figured that we would transfer out of NJ, but the occasional threat always evaporates for various reasons. So far our choices haven't been my favorite places anyway. So we may deal with this until the kids go to college. Then we'll pick a great place, like Virginia or NC.” 5:33:14 PM 6/19/01 RE: Rt.17 DOES have major traffic “I love this state. I don't see my self ever going out of my way to move.” 8:06:15 PM 6/19/01 RE: Rt.17 DOES have major traffic “That might be related to the fact that you don't drive, pay state and property tax, and pay for the home you live in. But by the time you graduate from college and get into your career, you may still feel the way you do. Many people love the city. I like to visit NYC but I don't want to live near it. My area is very nice; I just liked it better when it was considered rural.” 8:30:52 PM 6/19/01 RE: Rt.17 DOES have major traffic “arc, i have a pair of herman survivors, too! damned bombproof boots!” 9:36:06 PM 6/19/01 RE: Rt.17 DOES have major traffic “There older then me. Hehehehe” 10:40:14 PM 6/19/01 RE: Rt.17 DOES have major traffic “*they're” 10:57:00 PM 6/19/01 RE: Rt.17 DOES have major traffic “Bomb proof is right, rad. These puppies look like I bought 'em just a couple of years ago. I used them on my beach hike around St. Joseph Peninsula. I just drop in a new pair of inserts every couple of years. It doesn't appear as if they'll ever wear out. They're about as heavy as ski boots though. Yeah wait until you discover realestate prices in NJ, T. Then there's property tax, State income tax, Automobile insurance (highest in the country)...” 6:58:01 AM 6/20/01 RE: Rt.17 DOES have major traffic “I'd rather fight than switch.” 11:14:30 AM 6/20/01 RE: Rt.17 DOES have major traffic “What political position are you running for? I just saw a sign that our mayor is running for Assembly.” 3:52:37 PM 6/20/01 RE: Rt.17 DOES have major traffic “BTW, to all NJ people. DON'T VOTE BOB FRANKS!!! VOTE Bret shunler.” 4:02:45 PM 6/20/01 RE: Rt.17 DOES have major traffic “You couldn't get better service than at at Campmor, aside from the killer deals. Go there every Christmas Eve for the impromptu mega-sales. There's a real nice guy in the packs dept. (though he's frequently off on expeditions)named Chris who custom-fitted me to a discount Dana Design Alpine Overkill. He even bent the stays! I love Campmor, but I love saving money even more. If I'm looking for a significant purchase, I'll check all the others. Especially northernmountain.com. BTW, REI in New Rochelle is closing. Sometime told me that all merchandise is -20%. Are they gonna reopen nearby? Many people always considered it to be in a lousy location.” 4:10:42 PM 6/20/01 RE: Rt.17 DOES have major traffic “Tea- I'm sure Schundler appreciates your support.” 4:26:19 PM 6/20/01
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