The conspiracy!

“This link came from a guy who has been posting to a discussion list I am on. If you got some time, skim this and say what you think. Or hit "page down" three or four times, look at the chapter descriptions and if still interested "find" the chapters you are interested in.

Without further comment: the unvarnished and hardly even sanded truth?”

“It'll take a little more than a 'skimming'.”

“Just two words...GULAG OMNIUS!”

“You don't have enough to worry about.”

“I love that man. Tell me, how can I meet him? I must have him.”

“I shoulda mentioned the guy that gave the link is the author.

He says he tried to warn the FBI about the OK City bombing long before it happened.

He also lists special informants, including real live physical people, and God.”

“I loved it.
It was much better than Cats.
I'm going to see it again and again.”

“"All these dedicated believers in the dignity and power of the common man and countless other revolutionary
fighters, among whose names are Che, Fidel, Carlos Fonseca, Nelson Mandela, Colonel Qadhafi, Ayatollah Khomeini, Ho Chi Minh, Ghandi and Mao, have
all struggled for people?s revolutions. "

Fidel=Murderer
Qadhafi=Murderer
Khomeini=Murderer
Ho Chi Minh=Murderer
Mao= Mass Murderer

Some how I don't think these guys gave a rat's ass about the "dignity and power of the common man".

Ok, Ped now come clean, this guy really is a patient right? No? He should be!”

“LOL Tommy, Buddur.
It would be unethical for me to post it if this was a patient.
But Baso, what ever made you think he should be a patient... was it something like this:

"More significantly, I have received a lifelong supply of extraordinary tips from insiders about American society and politics and above all God has given me some very special supportive attention which I believe could wind up as evidence that I am a messenger of our age?if the reader can forgive me for what might sound like egoism or worse. "”

“A little Messiah complex going on?

I read through the Carter/Krangle conversation and thought it fascinating that they could predict the Camp David Accord (including the players), the Afganistan and Iranian Revolution and the hostage ordeal including the exact length - 444 days.

I thought it was funny how all these people he had supposedly talked to denied ever meeting him - I can't figure out their motivation.

But I'm still "suspending my disbelief"... really.”

“It is interesting reading though. Thanks for posting it Ped.

I can't wait for the Military-Industrial-Criminal Complex.

I've read a lot of utopian theories - both fiction and those that have actually been tried. The trouble with all of them is that they assume a pure goodness to human nature that just ain't there. Limiting and balancing power and learning to live with a little chaos seems to be the best we can hope for.”

“Thanks for your thoughts Violin.. have you come across the stuff about "super intelligence?"

To me (and I'm still sort of skimming through it) its a lot more compelling than a lot of books, movies or TV shows... because there really seems to be a Mark Krangle out there in Mexico. And he really seems to be experiencing and believing all this stuff.”

“No "super-intelligence" yet, I'm actually reading it like a novel. There's nothing more fascinating than a lucid psychotic, is there?

I did a google search for Mark Lee Krangle and got nothing. The vast right wing conspiracy has obviously been doing a good job of deleting all records of him.”

“Oh, here it is:

It is absolutely certain, beyond all probabilities of chance, that a super intelligence is responsible for communicative transmissions that depend upon the modulation of the wind in the natural environment, in order to produce natural language content through eardrum vibration. There have been a great quantity and variety of scientifically verified transmissions.

Super intelligence can modulate raindrops on a surface, also producing natural language content. It can sculpt clouds in order to produce artistic portraits. It can put thoughts in a person's mind and its capabilities establish it as far superior to the UFO-type intelligence that has been reported to be carrying out close up studies on human beings.

There is no apparent source of emission of the large quantity of verifiable communications by super intelligence. There are no electronic or other emission clues and no point of origin detectable. There are no signals of the type that the Hubble telescope or the huge heaven-searching listening dishes are seeking to monitor. There are only the messages themselves, but no signals, or one may say that the only signals that exist are the messages themselves.

I have had first hand experience in monitoring wind messages, the content of which has been verified by highly reliable inter-subject measures. I do not have the details of how an individual receiver/subject's eardrums are monitored by third parties (the government), but the same techniques that are used in the experiments and field applications of micro-muscular facial movement and articulator surveillance discussed in section 6, are involved."

I think people in your profession have another term for this type of communication, don't you?”

“And the wind cried "Mary."”

“LOL Flyguy!!!

Well those of us who are not yet illuminated call it "hearing voices" or "hallucinating."
It is amazing how anti-psychotic medications interfere with the actions of super-intelligence.”

“Look, up in the sky! A message from the Almighty! It looks like a bunny.”

“Reading the articles, I'm reminded of a line from a "Charlie Chan" movie, where Charlie appologizes to a friend for the behavior of his son, "So sorry, is product of very expensive American education."

I keep an aluminum foil cap on my head. It prevents many of the debilitating side-effects of super intelligence. And I've got emperical evidence to back up my claim.”

“I am reluctant to brand everyone who espouses concepts which I cannot comprehend, a lunatic. I am not saying that this guy is what he claims, however there may be little kernels of truth within. Great minds, throughout history have been labeled heretics, lunatics, psychotics (lots of 'tics.) With the inherent limitations of vocabulary, folks with legitimate insights into truths may not adequatelly convey their observations. With the vast untapped resources available to our minds, is it possible to absolutely rule-out more effective means of communications?

I am not going to run out and buy new sneaks and jogging outfit so I can join some whacked-out cult, but I'm not going to crucify harmless espousers of "truth" (albeit their own.)”

“flyguy6x -

I like to think that I am pretty open minded and I know that there are some pretty incredible things beyond the grasp of my very finite mind. However, some things are plain whacky.

There is of course some truth in his manifesto.

It is hard to take someone too seriously who espouses a sophisticated version of K-I-L the Landlord.”

“"I have been a conduit for secrets partly because of my own very complex, independent scholarly and journalistic involvement in political intrigue and because someone with sufficient influence in the Mafia has wanted me to be involved in the unmasking of the American system" I LOVE IT!”

“The Rhode Island Mafia, no doubt.”

“I'm not out to crucify this guy or even force medicate him. In fact, I helped expand his audience.

I think there is a lot to gain from listening to people who see the world very differently than I do.

I think the text he has written lends itself to a lot of possible interpretations. With life in general, and with this text in particular... its fun to try out different ways of interpreting it: For example, maybe he was on to something big and someone set him up to look crazy or made him crazy so that he'd lose all credibility.. or so he could never figure out which implausible beliefs were true and which ones weren't.”

“Ped -

When you said the guy who gave you the link is the author, do you mean it was emailed to numerous so-and-sos@edu.com or was it more selective? (If you don't mind my asking.)”

“Ped, how many "The Catcher in the Rye" books do you own? (If you don't mind me asking)”

“LOL Buddha! None, actually. (Of course I mind you asking, you ^%^%$^%# and I will have the UFO men hunt you down).

Violin: I am part of an interdisciplinary discussion list
for people who are interested in certain ways of looking at language, rhetoric and communication. Members post to the group, and the list "owner" sends them out to all the members. This guy posted a few things to the list, and got involved in some email back and forth with some list members. He cc'd lots of his emails to the list as a whole (this is a breech of list ettiquette)... I think the list owner ended up shutting him down.”

“I guess the list owner is a capitalist lackey.

If his 'PERFORCE' is correct, he should have known that would happen.

Of course that (and this conversation) may be all part of a larger scheme.”

“AHA! So you are really the mole that was discussed in an earlier thread, Pedx. Forget using our conversations to write articles for Backpacker. You're here to to provide material for your discussion group. Which government organization do you work for?”

“I think it's obvious that he works for the UFO intelligence.”

“I'm offended.
"Super intelligence can modulate raindrops on a surface, also producing natural language content. It can sculpt clouds in order to produce artistic portraits. It can put thoughts in a person's mind and its capabilities establish it as far superior to the UFO-type intelligence that has been reported to be carrying out close up studies on human beings."”

“LOL!”

“That 'manifesto' is similar in many ways to this explanation of the Heaven's Gate Mass Suicide:

CYBERPUNKS MURDERED?

From a couple of well-informed, well placed individuals with some personal knowledge of the matter, we are getting confirmation that tells us that the unusual deaths that were quickly labeled "another cult suicide" may be just the latest slaughter of peaceful people by a government frantically trying to conclude plans to implement a police state here in the US.

In fact, contrary to media reports of the "group?s desire to leave Earth and rendezvous with a spaceship", the 18-24 year olds were having a good time in Cyberland, and like most people their age planned to remain in a more Earthly sphere of existence for at least another 50 plus years.

It appears that these people were all members of a group that produced the game Cyberpunk. It so happens the FBI had raided this highly capable group of hackers and cryptography crackers not very long ago. After the raid the live interactive game they produced was put out of business. It was kind of hard to operate it after the FBI carted off all their equipment, and some game manuals that described "science fiction" technology in a way that was far too accurate for the comfort of certain agencies.

Why would the FBI be so phreaked about a game? For the government it was no game. They realized that the group was letting everybody see the deepest darkest secrets in regards to top secret high technology capabilities possessed by our government's intelligence agencies. The group had a reputation for being capable of cracking even the most guarded and protected of the military and government sites.

According to someone who was familiar with and played the live interactive game, it continually grew in complexity over time as it was marketed. The creators kept adding so many strange new weapons, devices, implants, etc., that it finally became necessary to reference the manual just to understand what they were talking about.

Few ever realized that the game manual described real technology actually being mass produced and stockpiled by our government. Cyberpunk was on the money and not the science fiction that most players thought it was. The game manual actually used the correct names and descriptions of super advanced and supposedly super secret technology.

Displaying that good old American spirit of ingenuity at turning adversity into opportunity, we are told that some brilliant person in Washington DC has promoted using this incident to further the efforts to restrict our Constitutional rights. Do not be surprised if Dianne Feinstein proposes legislation to protect families from the "menace of cults that can invade the home" and drive people to commit suicide or even murder their own parents.

What was that? Do I already hear the drum beats of the media getting restless to begin the attack?

Be interesting to see how many column inches and for how long this one is played up.

I would really love to have a copy (or a copy of a copy) of one of the game manuals that was confiscated.

Anybody know where to get one?

Don?t get phreaked, just remember to keep spreading the word, because: If there are no servants there are no masters.

Keith Andrew Kovacs
DAWN, Inc.
17218 Wildwood Rd.
Jupiter, Fl. 33478
561-746-1585”

“Phreaky!”

“This Krangle made a lot of references to past events that he said he had prior knowledge of but not one prediction of a future event. Carter predicted the Shah?s cancer three years early?!! Willie Horton was programmed for violence to eliminate Dukakis?!!

I don't know if he's a lunatic or something more sinister. It's stuff like this that may have warped the mind of McVeigh with tragic consequences. I consider it dangerous.

A lot of it is patently ridiculous (particularly in the GULAG OMNIUS and Higher Intelligence sections) but there are people who can be led into believing nearly anything. I wish that I had time and information to refute it point by point but it?s pretty hard to prove the non-existence of something.

I can tell you that if I wanted to escape an oppressive government and an unfair economic system, Mexico is one of the last places I would go. I traveled there pretty extensively as a young man and though I met a lot of wonderful people, I was searched at gunpoint twice for the high crime of riding on a bus. It?s no fun being interrogated in the middle of the night in a foreign country while someone trains an automatic weapon at your head from point blank range.

It?s great to live in a country where we are free to discuss such things and in a time when technology makes it easy.”

“Viloin, brother you must have alot of time on your hands. LOL!”

“Why do people keep stating that the Heaven's Gate chumps were such hot web techs? I've seen their work and frankly most of it was pretty damn awful even considering the time frame it was done in.”

“i agree, spam.

he has WAY too much time on his hands!”

“Now if what Keith Andrew Kovacs referred to about Heaven's Gate was true, who would then be nuts enough to send him a copy of a manual he has just indicated the government is killing people to get rid of it? If it was true, then KAK is either a fed troll suckering cyberphlunks to reveal themselves, or he is just one big naive cyberphlunk himself. If it isn't true, (What could be the odds of that!?!), then the latter is still true.”

“I probably should have indicated that the CYBERPUNKS MURDERED? was circulated on the web several years ago and was probably a hoax. There was a legitimate business, Steve Jackson Games, which was raided in 1990 for producing the game GURPS Cyberpunk. Steve Jackson Games is still in business - it was never charged with a crime, although it's property was never returned. The raid was part of the Operation Sundevil sting against hackers in the early 90s. The two groups (Heaven's Gate and SJG) were not connected.”

“The Heaven's Gate thing does bring up a rather tasteless joke I heard from the instructor in a course I took on appraising 'compromised' properties. He specializes in appraising properties that are stigmatized due to murders, ghosts, environmental problems and the like.

He was hired to appraise the house where the Heaven's Gate mass-suicide took place. He met the owners and they remained in the living room while he inspected the property. When he was done, he said he couldn't resist saying he had found another body. When the startled owners asked where, he replied: "under the kitchen sink, behind the Comet".”

“The roleplaying game cyberpunk has been around (as a paper and pencil version) since the 80's. The only reason Steve got raided was the Feds couldn't tell the difference between real hackers and people playing a game online pretending to to be hackers.”