Oilman's View of ANWR

“Oops, sorry violin, I didn't click your link before I posted mine, and I am far from right wing, I can't stand the right wing conservatives as much as I can't stand left wing liberals. I too am registered independant.”

“The sooner we plunder all the oil, the sooner big buisness and the U.S. goverment will be forced to invest in renewable energy like wind, wave, solar, ect. I,m afraid that as long as it is cheaper to use oil, we will be a slave to the powers that be.I wish I wasn,t such a cynic, but from my experience, the majority of Americans these days prefer comfort over conscience.”

“Yeah, there's oil there. Now it's time for the EIR/EIS to determine what drilling could mean to the ecosystem. Until then, it's all just speculation and "phoney" descriptions.”

“BB - so you too are able to just sit back and let someone go on and on thinking he's right while you bask securely in the power of the knowledge that he or she is completely full of sh!t?”

“The best way to make a statement about this is what wtrhog and LeSubtil have suggested. If we buy products that use alternative sources of energy, companies will produce those products at lees of a cost. If you feel that strongly about all of this Rosey, go out and buy one of these. Until we start utilizing alternative sources of energy on a mass commercial basis, we have to drill for oil anywhere we can, and you contribute to that need roseymonster, just like the rest of us.”

“Yes - it's fun to watch these politicians turn lies into logic, and watch people gobble it up. I guess it all boils down to common sense violin - Do you want our country to depend on others for things and have 20 more caribou in the world, or do you waste the Caribou, or make them graze somewhere else and be self reliant?”

“BTW, I met a lady that owned the car in the formetioned thread - she drove from Cleveland to Atlanta on 9 gallons of gas.”

“No doubt I do. But I try to make changes where I can. I drive a motorscooter that gets 100 mpg. I ride a bike that produces zero emissions.

Unfortunately, as wtrhog has suggested, I think it will require a forced change, be it by running out of a resource or by legislation (unlikely given the current admin.) So why not start changing now by NOT drilling for any more oil?”

“I suggest we put all the caribou on treadmills.

It would solve two problems: they'd generate electricity and we wouldn't be able to live without them.”

“We WON'T be self reliant for petroleum -- ever!”

“I make a living in the auto industry in a plant that produces V-engines and am happy to see that Ford is rolling out an Escape that utilizes a hybrid gas electric powertrain. Unfortunatly, this system will be supplied by a Toyota subsidiary. Vedy Scary!”

“Thats v-6 engines”

“I LOVE my Toyota...”

“WOW did this thread blow up!!!

Funny numbers gives fuzzy math.
Where o' where are you people getting your numbers.

Gerbil power is the answer!!!! Just ask Richard Gere!!!!

Piss and moans!!!!! good one Rad!!!!!!!

Sure ANWR is a spectacular place, the American "Serengeti" with vast herds of migrating caribou and best of all it belongs to US; but if you truly care for wildlife and preservation of animals you should focus your attention on the REAL endangered species of the world. Caribou that are millions strong in that area should be the least of your crips when cheetahs, tigers, rhinos, whales, etc, and the 600 gorillas left in the Congo. I wonder how much of a impact this drilling would have on the migrating population of 3 mill for 15+yrs..
Drilling be it now or in the future, we are heading in there.”

“Mark Herndon does appear to be real. I found a website on Google which I saw earlier. The site is down now, but his partner's site which links to his is up.

I notice that Gordon who said he had seen the story elsewhere was quick to pop up and reinforce his argument, but has dissappeared since I asked him about his alleged sources. I think he is the purveyor of false information!

partner's site

Herndon's site was up earlier but is down or gone”

“There is an Erik Rasmussen at Oklahoma University. I emailed him about this, but if this has gotten around the 'net, the poor guy is swamped with inquiries.”

“be nice to carion, stop beating the poor dead horse”

“"Arctic Power"... classic astroturf... industry funded 'grassroots' organization. It's like trying to get unbiased info regarding Global Warming from the Western Fuels Association.”

“Hmmmmm... what was that I heard about glacier travel and poop tubes...”

“http://www.wnem.com/Global/story.asp?S=723713&nav=7k762Q8Z897c "> Government review says drilling could hurt Arctic refuge ”

“I love it! The review says drilling stinks for the environment and Norton contradicts her own department. What a class act!”

“Sounds like a few Interior Dept. scientists will be looking for new work soon.”

“The side note to this story is that "Lets Make a Deal" is alive and well in Washington. Just didn't work out this time.”

“Who-da-thunkit!”

“It ain't over yet kids. When do they vote?”

“It is so funny that they call this part of their energy "reform" policy. Some people need to look up the definition of reform.”

“If they're in favor of 'reform', that means they're 'liberals', right? <G>”

“ANWR is safe for now!
http://www.msnbc.com/news/739403.asp?pne=msn&cp1=1”

“Yeah, but watch out for that hamburger...

Luckily for me, I was eating a salad when this came on tonight.”

“I find it appalling that in the year 2002 we are still dependent on fossil fuels when there are many other alternatives. However, until humans stop being the self-serving species we are it will never change.

The auto industry should be forced to produce vehicles that only get better than 30 miles to the gallon, and no, don't tell me it can't be done, it can at little cost to the auto makers.

But with the ultimate earth destroyer in office and in bed with big oil, who is in bed with auto makers, it will not change.

I have absolutely no hope for the future of this planet and the species that inhabit it, humans are their own worse enemy.”

“Well I for one am glad that there are people as holy an righteous and just as Squirrel...Your like an environmental Noah..the rest of us just aren't worthy...So, hey don't you build a spaceship out of sea kelp and soy, that is solar powered and fly to a better solar system where the inhabitants aren't so greedy and evil....”

“What a bunch of crap! The average mpg has gone down for the first time since 1986... gas is still cheap unless you need a #&%!$ load of it. Is this really a concern? The Government gave us all a tax break, AND set up their energy policy with Enron (which in turn scammed CA out of our budget surplus). There is NO shortage of fossil fuels! Drive what you can afford... gas may reach 3.00 or more per gallon (and that's cheap compared to what they pay in some countries). It's a lifestyle CHOICE! Bush has and is actively trying to help the oil/energy industry. As long as he's not selling his influence (which is being looked into now in regards to Enron/California) no biggee... in other words if you drive a v10 pen!s mobile don't b!tch about what it takes to fill the gastank, you bought the behemoth”

“You don't know #&%!$ about alternative energy.

What would it take in wind alone to offset the energy potential of 2000 acres along the coastal plains of ANWR?

Answer: One barrel of crude (42 gallons) generates ~520 kilowatts of electricity. On average, one operating windmill on property managed by the BLM generates ~178 kilowatts of electricity per day. Thus it would take about three windmills to equal the electricity from one barrel of oil. Windmills on BLM land take up about three acres of land each.

If ANWR ultimately produces one million bbl of oil a day, then it would take three million windmills covering nine million acres of land to equal the energy tapped from a tiny strip of ANWR.

Or, when put into perspective, nearly every acre of Connecticut and Massechusetts would be blanketed by windmills.

From the Washington Times.”

“Sounds good to me!

But I thought they were going to put 'em somewhere out in Montana er somethin'? <G> A half million acres here, a half million there... They won't even be missed, <VBG>

(as long as the wind blows hard enough)”

“Who's going to blow what?

Ha ha!”

“That's just an expression...”

“an expression of love”

“Breaking news from Anchorage Daily News:

State investigates Slope gas pipe blowout
BP and state officials are investigating a dramatic blowout of a high-pressure gas pipeline at the Prudhoe Bay oil field and other incidents this week.”

“The video takes some time to watch. Even if it's not all true, it remains interesting to me. Some of you may have seen this already, but for the other tt'ers The Energy non crisis is found at:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3340274697167011147”

“All Clinton's fault!”

“Yes, very interesting. Cannot wait to hear what the Einstein's here think of him.”

“Lindsey Williams, the speaker in the link from a couple of posts earlier by 'precision', is a minister who preached to the workers in the oilfields of Alaska for years (which means dispensing dishonesty is nothing new for him).

How did he become so enlightened about the presence of vast quantities of hidden petroleum there? Maybe, he should tell the geologists where to find the phantom oil.
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